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Catholic-Orthodox Theological Talk to Resume This Fall
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| July 4, 2005
| Zenith News Agency
Posted on 07/04/2005 9:14:37 PM PDT by kosta50
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Looks like the key issues will be discussed. This may determine how the two Churches relate in the foreseeable future; whether they will converge or further diverge.
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posted on
07/04/2005 9:14:38 PM PDT
by
kosta50
To: Agrarian; Kolokotronis; Tantumergo; gbcdoj; FormerLib; Graves; MarMema; jb6; katnip; monkfan; ...
Orthodox/Catholic ping...major issues to be discussed in Moscow this Fall.
Please no flaming...
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posted on
07/04/2005 9:18:14 PM PDT
by
kosta50
(Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
To: Petrosius; Cronos
sorry for nmissing you the first time...
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posted on
07/04/2005 9:20:40 PM PDT
by
kosta50
(Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
To: kosta50
No offense taken. Do you think that the two of us could me invited?
The two of us disagree on many issues but could we not join together in prayer (or should that be e-prayer?) that the will of God be done?
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posted on
07/04/2005 10:28:50 PM PDT
by
Petrosius
To: Petrosius
The two of us disagree on many issues but could we not join together in prayer (or should that be e-prayer?) that the will of God be done? I am with you on this, by all means! But I can't help wondering if we are unable to come to terms because our repentence and desire that God's will be done is on our lips but not in our hearts.
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posted on
07/05/2005 1:08:44 AM PDT
by
kosta50
(Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
To: kosta50; american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ...
Comments bolded by poster?
The new pontiff has from the outset emphasized the need for unity within Christendom, and has placed special emphasis on improving relations between the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches. He reiterated as much in his meeting last week with three metropolitans who represented the patriarch at celebrations marking the enthronement of Benedict XVI. Metropolitan Ioannis of Pergamo, who headed the delegation, extended an invitation to the pope to visit Istanbul which, according to sources, was accepted.
Pope Benedict XVI accepts invitation to visit Phanar (Orthodox Church in Turkey)
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posted on
07/05/2005 3:51:42 AM PDT
by
NYer
("Each person is meant to exist. Each person is God's own idea." - Pope Benedict XVI)
To: NYer; Petrosius
As to the "celebrations marking the enthronement of Benedict XVI", did Pope Benedict XVI take the oath that all newly elected popes of Rome have taken since the 7th century, the one Pope John Paul II dispensed with? The one in which the Pope of Rome pledges to be Orthodox, in which he says "We subject to severest excommunication anyone -- be it Ourselves or be it another -- who would dare to undertake anything new in contradiction to this constituted evangelic Tradition and the purity of the orthodox Faith and the Christian religion, or would seek to change anything by his opposing efforts, or would agree with those who undertake such a blasphemous venture." http://www.trosch.org/lit/papal_coronation_oath.html
Just asking.
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posted on
07/05/2005 5:24:59 AM PDT
by
Graves
("Orthodoxy or death!")
To: kosta50; All
History seen as a key to Catholic-Orthodox dialogue
WASHINGTON (CNS) -- When Catholics and Orthodox try to look at ways their exercise of authority diverged in the second millennium, an understanding of history is an important key, a Vatican official told an ecumenical conference in Washington June 22. Msgr. Johan Jozef Bonny, an official of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity and rector of the Belgian College in Rome, was one of the featured speakers at Orientale Lumen IX, held June 20-23 at the Pope John Paul II Cultural Center in Washington. While the shared model of communion held by the churches of East and West in the first millennium stands as a guide and inspiration for a path toward unity, he said, East-West dialogue cannot ignore the changes in church governance since then and the real historical challenges leading to those changes. The conference is a yearly gathering of Orthodox and Catholic theologians and church leaders. It is named after Pope John Paul II's 1995 apostolic letter "Orientale Lumen" ("The Light of the East"), praising the riches of the churches of the East and urging a restoration of East-West church unity. This year's theme was "Structure of the Church East and West."
NEWS BRIEFS
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posted on
07/05/2005 6:16:02 AM PDT
by
NYer
("Each person is meant to exist. Each person is God's own idea." - Pope Benedict XVI)
To: kosta50
IIRC, the Russian Orthodox are the least 'friendly' to Rome. Is that your understanding, as well?
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posted on
07/05/2005 6:21:00 AM PDT
by
ninenot
(Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
To: ninenot
the Russian Orthodox are the least 'frien. Is that your understanding, as well?dly' to Rome They are directly affected by the Eastern-Catholic phenomenon. I am sure if other Patriarchates experienced similar events, the relations would be strained.
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posted on
07/05/2005 8:22:42 AM PDT
by
kosta50
(Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
To: NYer
Comments bolded by poster? Yes, that should be obvious by following the link provided. I bolded it because this is pretty much at the heart of the article and I wanted to draw attention.
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posted on
07/05/2005 8:24:39 AM PDT
by
kosta50
(Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
To: kosta50
Other geographical points of contention: Macedonia (Serbian Orthodox v Macedonian Orthodox), Alexandria & Jordan (Orthodox v Melkite RCs), Syria & Iraq (Antiochian Orthodox v Chaldean Rite RCs), Lebanon (Antiochian Orthodox v Maronite Rite RCs), and Ukraine (same situation as Russia).
Macedonia is a real hot spot with Macedonian Orthodox claiming to be under Pope Benedict XVI and the state jailing the Serbian hierarch. On the Holy Mountain of Athos, non-commemorators at Esphigmenou are being pressured by the EP. And, as always, the never ending turf battle at the Church of the Resurrection in Jerusalem and other sites in the Holy land.
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posted on
07/05/2005 9:29:29 AM PDT
by
Graves
("Orthodoxy or death!")
To: Graves
A point of vocabulary when referring to Eastern Catholics. The Eastern Churches in full union with Rome are not referred to as Roman Catholic. They may be referred to by their proper name, such as, Melkite Catholic Church. Additionally, a "rite" is not the same as a "Church." There are about 10 (depending on how one counts) ritual families in the Catholic Church. However, there are 22 Churches that comprise the Catholic Church. Many Eastern Catholic Churches share the same rite, such as the Ukrainian Catholic Church and the Romanian Catholic Church. Some Churches, like the Chaldean Catholic Church share the same rite as another Church not in full union with Rome (in this case, the Assyrian Church of the East.)
Eastern Churches in full union with Rome have their own Canon Law, ritual traditions, their own autonomous hierarchy and they govern their own internal affairs. Roman Catholics, properly referred, are those Westerns that belong to the Roman (or Latin) Church. Together, Latins and Easterns in full union with Rome comprise the Catholic Church.
This union in no way impugnes the distinctive dignity of the Oriental Orthodox Church, Eastern Orthodox Church or the Assyrian Church of the East.
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posted on
07/05/2005 11:53:18 AM PDT
by
sanormal
To: sanormal
Very nice explanation, gracefully offered.
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posted on
07/05/2005 12:30:33 PM PDT
by
sitetest
(If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
To: sanormal
"the distinctive dignity of the Oriental Orthodox Church,... or the Assyrian Church of the East." Distinctive dignity?
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posted on
07/05/2005 12:39:30 PM PDT
by
Graves
("Orthodoxy or death!")
To: Graves
The Oriental Orthodox Church refers to a Communion of six apostolic Eastern Churches. All are independent of one another and all rejected the Council of Chalcedon (451 AD). The Churches that comprise the Oriental Orthodox Church are:
Armenian Apostolic Church; Coptic Orthodox Church; Ethiopian Orthodox Church; Syrian Orthodox Church; Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church; Eritrean Orthodox Church.
In recent years, however, each of these Churches has come to common Christological agreement with representatives of both the Catholic Church and Eastern Orthodox Church, ending centuries of Christological division.
The Assyrian Church of the East refers to the apostolic Church established in Persia, outside of the Roman Empire (in what is now Iraq and Iran). The Church of the East became associated with the Nestorians and the rejection of the Council of Ephesus (431 AD). The Assyrian Holy Synod has come to common Christological agreement with representatives of both the Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church, recently, as well (notably in 1994 when Pope John Paul II and Mar Dinka IV signed a Common Christological Declaration at the Vatican).
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posted on
07/05/2005 5:19:37 PM PDT
by
sanormal
To: sanormal
Am I to take it that all of these "churches" now venerate Pope St. Cyril of Alexandria, St. Maximus the Confessor, and Pope St. Leo the Great of Rome and affirm St. Leo's Tome as being infallible?
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posted on
07/05/2005 5:29:44 PM PDT
by
Graves
("Orthodoxy or death!")
To: Graves
"As to the "celebrations marking the enthronement of Benedict XVI", did Pope Benedict XVI take the oath that all newly elected popes of Rome have taken since the 7th century, the one Pope John Paul II dispensed with? The one in which the Pope of Rome pledges to be Orthodox, in which he says "We subject to severest excommunication anyone -- be it Ourselves or be it another -- who would dare to undertake anything new in contradiction to this constituted evangelic Tradition and the purity of the orthodox Faith and the Christian religion, or would seek to change anything by his opposing efforts, or would agree with those who undertake such a blasphemous venture."
http://www.trosch.org/lit/papal_coronation_oath.html Just asking."
My understanding is that the oath you refer to was part of the old papal coronation ceremony where the Pope would be crowned with the triple tiara and carried around St. Peter's square in the sedei gestatoria with ostrich feather fans etc...
Pope John Paul II (Eternal rest grant unto him O Lord) followed the precedent set by his short lived predecessor John Paul I who absolutely refused to be crowned. +Benedict XVI has shown the same, or perhaps an even deeper aversion to the trappings of the papal monarchy. The Tiara has been stripped even from the Popes coat of arms. In its place he has a bishops mitre that does not appear to be any different from that worn by all western rite bishops. I believe that an oath prescribed is still sworn by the bishops of Rome to uphold the Catholic and Orthodox faith but most of the elaborate ceremony of the old days has been removed. Paul VI was the last pope to wear the Tiara and be crowned. At the conclusion of the Vatican Council he ceremonially stepped down from his throne and walked to the high alter where he placed the crown and never again consented to wear it. Benedict restored many of the traditions of the first millennium in his mass of installation.
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posted on
07/05/2005 6:26:41 PM PDT
by
jec1ny
(Adjutorium nostrum in nomine Domine Qui fecit caelum et terram.)
To: jec1ny
"I believe that an oath prescribed is still sworn by the bishops of Rome to uphold the Catholic and Orthodox faith"
Really?
The same oath as was employed by the Orthodox popes of Rome in the 7th century? If so, did Pope Gregory XIII take this very same oath? Pope Pius IX, Pope John XXIII, Pope Paul VI, Pope John Paul II (Linked article claims he did not.)?
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posted on
07/05/2005 6:39:25 PM PDT
by
Graves
("Orthodoxy or death!")
To: Graves
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posted on
07/05/2005 6:42:08 PM PDT
by
sanormal
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