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To: murphE

Just remember, he's got to account for them ALL or the list is completely invalid.


18 posted on 07/01/2005 7:44:50 AM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: FormerLib; gbcdoj

Since I am familiar with his abilities, after reading many, many of his posts, I wouldn't be surprised if he could.


19 posted on 07/01/2005 7:47:12 AM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: FormerLib; kosta50; murphE
Just remember, he's got to account for them ALL or the list is completely invalid.

Does that mean that the original claim, that "the overwhelming consensus of both Greek and Latin Fathers" understand it as St. Peter's confession, which gives no list or evidence at all except for a misinterpreted sentence of St. Theophylact, is also invalid? :) Hey, and this standard would also make invalid all the Orthodox claims made here at FR to have the "patristic" viewpoint, since they're usually not backed up at all with even one quote, much less a complete survey of every Christian writer from St. Clement to St. John Damascene.

But I'll give a sample, just to prove my point:


The Latin Fathers:

Augustine: (The rock is) St. Peter, his confession, Christ, and the succession of bishops at Rome (cf. Alphabetical Psalm against the Donatists).
Ambrose: (The rock is) St. Peter, and his confession.
Ambrosiaster: (The rock is) St. Peter's confession.
Bede: (The rock is) St. Peter's confession and Christ.
Cassiodorus: (The rock is) Christ.
Cyprian: (The rock is) St. Peter.
Gregory the Great: (The rock is) St. Peter, and the firmness of faith.
Hilary of Poitiers: (The rock is) St. Peter, and his confession.
Jerome: (The rock is) St. Peter, all the apostles, and the chair of Peter held by Damasus of Rome.
Maximus of Turin: (The rock is) St. Peter.
Paschasius Radbertus: St. Peter, and his confession.
Paulinus of Nola: St. Peter.
Prosper of Aquitaine: St. Peter.
Tertullian: St. Peter.


And the Greek Fathers:
Asterius: (The rock is) St. Peter.
Athanasius: (The rock is) The faith of the saints.
Basil of Caesarea: (The rock is) St. Peter.
Basil of Seleucia: (The rock is) St. Peter's confession.
John Cassian: (The rock is) St. Peter's confession.
John Chrysostom: (The rock is) St. Peter, and his confession.
Peter Chrysologus: (The rock is) St. Peter.
Cyril of Alexandria: (The rock is) St. Peter, his confession, and Christ.
Didymus: (The rock is) St. Peter's confession.
Epiphanius: (The rock is) St. Peter.
Eusebius of Caesarea: (The rock is) St. Peter, and Christ.
Firmilian: (The rock is) St. Peter.
Gregory Nazianzen: (The rock is) St. Peter.
Gregory of Nyssa: (The rock is) St. Peter, and his confession.
Isidore of Pelusium: (The rock is) St. Peter's confession.
John Damascene: (The rock is) St. Peter, his confession, and Christ.
Nilus of Ancyra: (The rock is) St. Peter's confession.
Origen: (The rock is) St. Peter.
Palladius: (The rock is) St. Peter's confession.
Paul of Emessa: (The rock is) St. Peter's confession.
Paul Orosius: (The rock is) St. Peter.
Theodoret: (The rock is) St. Peter, his confession, and Christ.

Documentation here: Patristic Exegesis of the Rock of Matthew 16:18, unless otherwise noted, as compiled by a Protestant who denies that St. Peter was the rock. I have omitted certain statements about Christ as a rock which don't seem to be connected to Matt. 16:18, but only to the passage in 1 Cor. Obviously these 'rocks' are different and Peter is not the rock of 1 Cor., and I counted some statements about the Church being founded on Peter as equivalent to him being the rock of Matt. 16:18, which may not be correct. At any rate, you can go see for yourself.

I wonder if all those Fathers weren't Christocentric enough, seeing as they make St. Peter to be the rock.

28 posted on 07/01/2005 4:45:29 PM PDT by gbcdoj
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