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To: Christopher78
You really don't live on this little planet I call earth, do you?

Yes, because it's just so absurd to support the position of the Catholic Church.

Some men, indeed do not attack the truth wilfully, but work in heedless disregard of it. They act as though God had given us intellects for some purpose other than the pursuit and attainment of truth. This mistaken sort of action leads directly to that absurd proposition: one religion is just as good as another, for there is no distinction here between truth and falsehood. "This attitude," to quote Pope Leo again, "is directed to the destruction of all religions, but particularly the Catholic faith, which cannot be placed on a level with other religions without serious injustice, since it alone is true."

Indeed, the Catholic Church is set apart and distinguished by these three characteristics: unity of doctrine, unity of organization, unity of worship. This unity is so conspicuous that by it all men can find and recognize the Catholic Church.

It is the will of God, the Church's founder, that all the sheep should eventually gather into this one fold, under the guidance of one shepherd. All God's children are summoned to their father's only home, and its cornerstone is Peter. All men should work together like brothers to become part of this single kingdom of God; for the citizens of that kingdom are united in peace and harmony on earth that they might enjoy eternal happiness some day in heaven. (Pope Bl. John XXIII, Encyclical Letter Ad Petri Cathedram, §§ 17, 67, 68)

As therefore in the true Christian community there is only one Body, one Spirit, one Lord, and one Baptism, so there can be only one faith.[Cf. Eph., IV, 5.] And therefore, if a man refuse to hear the Church, let him be considered - so the Lord commands - as a heathen and a publican. [Cf. Matth., XVIII, 17.] It follows that those who are divided in faith or government cannot be living in the unity of such a Body, nor can they be living the life of its one Divine Spirit. (Pope Pius XII, Encyclical Letter Mystici Corporis Christi, §22)

You are essentially trying to convince me that Jesus wants dissention amongst his followers?

Well, let's ask Christ Himself: "Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword. For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's enemies shall be they of his own household" (Matt. 10:34-6). "He that is not with me, is against me: and he that gathereth not with me, scattereth" (Matt. 12:30).

Martin Luther did the right thing. I would have done the precise thing myself had I seen such vile corruption in the Church hierarchy

If you would do the same thing, then why aren't you a Lutheran?

You are wrong to actively seek divisions between Catholic and Protestant.

If am wrong, then you convict Christ, his apostles, and their successors with me.

But no doubt then (according to these Hereticks) They shall all receive Mercy, and Such as have been mindful of the Commands of our Lord and his Apostles, and have continued found and orthodox in the Faith will then be in Danger of being rejected of Him, who will then say unto them, "It is true indeed, I did foretell the Coming of false Teachers in my Name, and in the Names of my Apostles and Prophets; I commanded my Disciples to preach one uniform Doctrine unto you; I certainly gave to my Apostles one Gospel, and one fix'd Rule of Faith; but seeing Men did not readily come into a Belief of it, I wisely chose in some Points to alter it. I promised indeed a Resurrection, and that of the Flesh too, but have since further consider'd of it, and find I cannot well acquit my self of my Promise. I then openly declared my self to have been born of a Virgin, but have since look'd upon That Declaration as a most egregious Piece of Folly and Delusion. With an assuming Air of Confidence I call'd Him my Father who made the Rain and the Sun, but another and much better Father hath since adopted me; I earnestly charg'd you not to give Ear to Hereticks, but in that Charge, I was widely mistaken." Such monstrous Extravagancies, such blasphemous Absurdities must they frame to themselves, who wander out of the Way of Truth, and take no Care to keep sacred and entire the establish'd Rule of Faith. (Tertullian, On the Prescription Against Heretics, 44)

17 posted on 06/25/2005 5:17:22 PM PDT by gbcdoj (Pope Pius X, it is you who are of men the most modern.)
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To: gbcdoj; Christopher78

***And therefore, if a man refuse to hear the Church, let him be considered - so the Lord commands - as a heathen and a publican. [Cf. Matth., XVIII, 17.] It follows that those who are divided in faith or government cannot be living in the unity of such a Body, nor can they be living the life of its one Divine Spirit.***

Here seems to be the problem - you are failing to recognize an authentic work of the Spirit when you see it because it doesn't fit into your framework or group. People in the NT had the same issue - even the disciples did! Do you remember the disciple wanting to prohibit those who were casting out demons in Jesus name?

There are Chinese Christians suffering and dying in communist jails RIGHT THIS MINUTE because of their testimony for Christ. Some of these people may not even know what the Catholic church is. But their lives have been utterly transformed by the message of the gospel that they read off a scrap of paper or heard from a passing chinese evangelist - and they have gone on to proclaim that message at great personal cost. And you want to tell me that Jesus considers them as "heathens and publicans"?

Put the popes and theologians down for a minute and go and read the New Testament. Let it shake up your presupositions.

"A man had two sons. And he went to the first and said, 'Son, go and work in the vineyard today.' And he answered, 'I will not,' but afterward he changed his mind and went.

And he went to the other son and said the same. And he answered, 'I go, sir,' but did not go.

Which of the two did the will of his father?" They said, "The first."

Jesus said to them, "Truly, I say to you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes go into the kingdom of God before you."


25 posted on 06/25/2005 9:09:01 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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