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To: topcat54; The Grammarian; Buggman; P-Marlowe; xzins; Alamo-Girl
"Where was Israel when Christ came to them and ministered "face to face"?"

They were right where Ezekiel prophesied they would be in Ezek. 20:30-32, unbelieving and apostate. That's why Jesus prophecies they would stay in that state until they say, "Blessed is He who cometh in the name of the Lord." Matt. 23:39. Jesus is speaking to Israel, not the church. So under your system, when will Israel as a people be converted and see Jesus again and say, "Blessed is He who cometh in the name of the Lord" if there is no people Israel?
673 posted on 07/05/2005 9:55:54 AM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan; The Grammarian; Buggman; P-Marlowe; xzins; Alamo-Girl
They were right where Ezekiel prophesied they would be in Ezek. 20:30-32, unbelieving and apostate.

Do you believe there will be a time with God will be more "face to face" with Israel than when Jesus came to earth and ministered the gospel?

Jesus came and brought the message of the kingdom to Israel. Those who believed and followed Messiah were identified as the true children of Abraham. "Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. ... So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham."

Those who posit some future for national Israel make it appear as if nothing happened for the Jewish people when Jesus came to earth 2000 years ago. They seem to believe that the "real deal" is yet in the future. You can see how this attitude tends to minimize Jesus' death and resurrection, and the work He accomplished on behalf of His people.

"And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins."

"From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, 'Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.'"

For 2000 years Jews, along with gentiles, have recognized Jesus as the true Messiah of Israel. To demonstrate their realized faith in the promises of God through Abraham, they became baptized and members of Christ's body, the Church. There is no greater glory for any man, whether Jew or gentile, that to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved. This movement of the Holy Spirit will continue on until Christ returns to finalize all His work.

"Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet."

674 posted on 07/05/2005 10:30:12 AM PDT by topcat54
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