[Buggman]

With respect, Topcat, you've offered no Scriptural or logical refutation of the passages that I've cited, nor have you even attempted to explain why there are still Jews at all, let alone a Jewish nation called Israel, today.

I've pointed you to the Scriptures that said that God would regather Israel to her land for the second time after the Gentiles came to the Messiah, and where He says that He would regather them even before they accepted His Spirit. This is precisely what has happened. Your reply amounts to simply saying, "Is not!" without offering even the barest pretense of a refutation.

Kinda like the way many Jews simply say, "Is not!" when shown the Messianic prophecies in the Scripture.

[HarleyD]

I believe topcat's point is, "How do you know this applies directly to here and now?" You’re looking at anecdotic evidence around you and this may be giving the wrong picture.

The early Christians thought our Lord Jesus' return was imminent and He had barely left. They were wrong. Undoubtedly they thought they were interpreting the signs correctly as well. I remember reading about some Christians back in the late 1800s who thought Christ was returning based upon “the signs” and sold everything they had, donned white sheets and went and stood on a hilltop. They were disappointed. Hal Lindsey back in the ’70 thought the Soviet Union was the “Anti-Christ” and would rise up in some apocalypsic war. Well, he’s revised that several times. Good thing we don’t follow the OT and stone people who state such untrue things. On the other hand perhaps people wouldn’t be quite so eager to put forth ideas if we did.

Personally I think our Lord Jesus’ return is imminent not because of Israel being reformed or the temple being rebuilt; but simply because of the corruption now taking place in the church. But maybe I’m just an old sour puss. There have been dark days in the church (and in the nation of Israel) before and I don’t know if God will rise up another Martin Luther to drive the church back on its correct footing. Or perhaps it isn’t as dark as it was in the 11th century. One simply cannot know based upon evidence around him.

[topcat54]

With respect, Topcat, you've offered no Scriptural or logical refutation of the passages that I've cited, nor have you even attempted to explain why there are still Jews at all, let alone a Jewish nation called Israel, today.

I don't need to. Which of the Scriptures you cited specifically and unequivocally points of contemporary Israel and not, say, an Israel another 2000 years from now?

You need to resolve that issue first.