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THE 400 YEARS BETWEEN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENTS
The Ray C. Stedman Library ^ | October 2, 1966 | Ray C. Stedman

Posted on 06/17/2005 11:15:25 PM PDT by P-Marlowe

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Meeting Up with the Mythmaker

Or, This is Not Your Father's Maccabee
James Patrick Holding

Between the Old and the New Testaments, perhaps the greatest heroes in all of Judaism were the Maccabee family - the brave fellows who stood up to the desecrator of the Temple and all-around jerk Antiochus Epiphanes. We remember the result of their deeds at this season along with those of our Savior. Today there is another "Maccoby" and he is neither warrior nor priest. He is a Talmudic scholar and a leading nuisance-writer against Christianity. Such is one way in which the family has gone downhill.

Few scholars take the works of Hyam Maccoby seriously; you will not often see him quoted as an authority, and his books (like the one evaluated here, The Mythmaker - Harper and Row, 1986) belong on the same shelf as items like Holy Blood, Holy Grail and James the Brother of Jesus. In other words, Maccoby is a conspiracy theorist, and has all of the associated practices. The NT is a good source of information, when it suits his case; otherwise it is full of bunk (and it has also been reworked by "Paulinist editors" [4] who made Maccoby's detective work even more difficult). The Mishnah is a 100% reliable source and it's rules were in effect fully at the time of Jesus. Scholars would recognize the truth of Maccoby's case if only they weren't so biased and tendentious. There are "strong" reasons for believing what Maccoby says...according to Hyam Maccoby; and all of what his opponents say is "weak"...according to Hyam Maccoby...and various things that would be perfectly clear to anyone willing to do a little thinking and source-work are "puzzling". He uses the prejudicial adjectives quite well, does this fellow.

And of course, like most writers of this sort, Maccoby is bad with the sources. How so? In this book under consideration, Maccoby argues, among other things, that Jesus was actually a Pharisee, and that Paul was a major distorter of Jesus who was not a very serious Jew, but a charlatan who mixed paganism, Gnosticism, and Judaism to create Christianity as we know it.

But wait! What of the work done by the likes of W. D. Davies, E. P . Sanders, and Joseph Klausner, placing Paul firmly in the traditions and methods of rabbinic Judaism? Maccoby deals with Davies and Sanders by the simple expedient of mostly ignoring them or broadly dismissing them (their work is cited only seven times in 230 pages, and never in relation to evidence); Klausner he puts off by simply calling his arguments names ("unconvincing" - [61]). Don't let Maccoby's extensive source list impress you - he's simply packed the deck to make it look like he's done the work. How scholarly he actually is, is revealed in that most chapters have fewer than a dozen footnotes, and in that he feels he can debunk the likes of Davies, Sanders and Klausner with a single chapter of only 10 to 12 pages. Most of the book turns out not be scholarly at all, but mostly fantastic reconstruction of what Maccoby thinks actually happened in the first century.

What is really happening here is revealed in part by the tribute Maccoby offers to those who funded his work - The Centre for the Study of Anti-Semitism. Maccoby accuses the Apostle Paul of creating "a new religion" in which the Jews "were the villains, instead of the heroes, of sacred history" [50] - and in service of allegedly destroying anti-semitism, he wishes to prove that Paul was the real villain. Thus, like Haim Cohn in The Trial of Jesus, where it was supposed that the high priests actually loved Jesus and were trying to get him to shut up and stay out of trouble, Maccoby is a historical revisionist on behalf of the elimination of bigotry. May I say as I have before on regards to Cohn and others that revisionism of this sort is as outrageous as that used by anti-Semites to justify their own perversions. Maccoby has merely replaced the bigotry of those who willfully misinterpreted the writings of Paul for their own purposes with a staid and absurd bigotry of his own - directed solely against Paul. This is wrong however we look at it: Bigotry is bigotry whether directed against a class of people or against only one. Let us see now exactly how Maccoby manipulates the data to suit his own purposes. |

Pauline Premises

Conveniently, Maccoby does summarize in advance what he hopes to prove in The Mythmaker; let's look at that first.

  1. Paul, who is painted as a Pharisee in Acts and claims to be a Pharisee in his letters, "never was one." [xi] He lied about his qualifications and was poorly trained as a rabbinic scholar. [15ff]
  2. Jesus was a Pharisee whose teachings Paul distorted. True Christianity, represented by the Jerusalem church led by Peter and James, never believed that Jesus was divine, though they did believe he was the Messiah and had been resurrected. They observed the Jewish law faithfully and disdained Paul, who created what we call Christianity out of a mix of hellenism, Gnosticism, paganism, and Judaism.
  3. The similar description of Paul written by the Ebionites in the middle of the second century is a much more reliable source about Paul than the NT, and scholars have neglected this fact for "quite inadequate and tendentious reasons" [xii].
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Jesus and Paul - Card-Carrying Pharisees?

Even a cursory glance at the Gospels suggests that Jesus and some Pharisees (not all, of course!) had disagreements. Now we know that there were (as with any human group) variations within Pharisaism - the schools of Hillel and Shammai were major players, and no doubt there were individual levels of commitment that found varying means of expression. For Maccoby, though, the Pharisees are all cut from the same cardboard; it is assumed that what is true for one Pharisee is true for all, and hence he is able to place Jesus in their ranks.

He does this in one instance by noting the story of Jesus healing on the Sabbath. He claims that a Pharisee source shows that they had no problem with healing on the Sabbath, but he does not name this source or quote it, not even in a footnote! (One suspects that healing was permitted for lifesaving medical treatment; but that was not what Jesus was up to; the man in the story was not in deadly peril.) Later Maccoby reworks the story of the disciples picking grain in the field [41] to suppose that Jesus was actually in flight from Herod and the Romans and justified the picking of corn on an emergency basis - this, done to make Jesus in perfect agreement with Pharisee law. I think we hardly need to comment on such blatant and unwarranted revisionism.

As for Paul, Maccoby devotes 11 pages to proving that the Apostle was a liar when he claimed to be a Pharisee. Paul, he tells us, created this religion in which Jews were "enemies of God" (Maccoby needs to read Romans carefully; Paul says that ALL men are enemies of God in their unredeemed state, not just the Jews). Here also Maccoby selects from Acts that which suits his case, and discards the rest: Gamaliel's speech is mostly reliable (except for the old alleged Judas/Theudas error), but that Paul received endorsement for his persecution parade is not reliable at all, for Maccoby tells us that there is nothing in Christian belief that any Pharisee, whether liberal or conservative, would object to...because Christianity did not actually believe Jesus to be divine...which was a belief invented by Paul...so that there was no belief for Paul to persecute if he were really a Pharisee...and around the circle goes! In fact, much of what Maccoby argues in this book works upon the presumption that true Christianity never believed in a divine Jesus, and upon the sort of circular argument we have described above. Logical thinking is decidedly not one of Maccoby's strong points. |

Paul, Student of the Rabbis?

Maccoby's most important point for our purposes, however, is his attempt to prove that Paul was no Jewish intellectual as has been argued by the likes of Davies and Klausner. This view, he tells us, is "entirely wrong, being based on ignorance or misunderstanding of rabbinical exegesis and logic." [61] And so, in a tour de force of nine pages with 12 mostly-irrelevant footnotes, Maccoby goes on to prove that Paul was not the rabbinic scholar that Davies, etc. have supposed. Klausner, who said, "It would be difficult to find more typically Talmudic expressions of scripture than those in the Epistles of Paul," is disposed of by reference to the "six unconvincing examples" he provides (though we are only privileged to have one explained to us in Maccoby's text) and the polemical claim that "rabbinical arguments are never guilty of logical confusions" like Paul's arguments contained. Also cited is the fact that Paul bases some of his arguments on the LXX, which Maccoby claims that a Palestinian scholar of Judaism would never do, although not so much as a footnote is offered in proof - and one wonders what works from the first century Maccoby can provide as proof; if he cites Talmudic literature, then that is too late to use as proof, for it is beyond that century and into the time when Jewish scholars would indeed have disliked using the LXX, because of consistent Christian use of it.

The acid test for proving that Paul was a fakir of rabbinical teaching, however, would be to show that he shows none of the signs of having a rabbinical education, which is the whole point of what Klausner, Davies and others wrote about. Maccoby dismisses Klausner and another scholar, Schoeps, by remarking that "it is quite startling to see how unconvincing they are" [64] and accusing them of bias, which is always handy. We do get to some specifics, however. One evidence of Paul's rabbinic background is that he uses a typical rabbinic exegetical method called qal va-homer - or "light and heavy". It is a sort of principle of analogy used to prove one point based on a given fact. Maccoby cites four examples of this method from Paul; let's look at them, all from Romans:

5:10 For if, when we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!
5:17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.
11:15 For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
11:24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

Maccoby gives Paul a big fat F here on 3 out of 4, accusing him of "woolly, imprecise reasoning" and going "far beyond the conclusion warranted" - the bottom line being, Paul cannot be a Pharisee or a rabbinic exegete, because he "was arguing for a doctrine of which the Pharisees would have disapproved strongly." [65-6] Now, did the reader catch that? Paul can't be a Pharisee or a rabbinic exegete, because he comes to conclusions that are false by Pharisee thinking...i.e., because he asserts that Christianity is true! All 4 of these arguments, in fact, are quite sensible if what Paul argues is based on what is true; but that is the very point at issue, and Maccoby has merely started by assuming from the get-go that Christianity as we know it is a Pauline fraud! Once again, all he does here is chase himself in circles.

As another attempt to rob Paul of his credentials, Maccoby cites this passage, Romans 7:1-6 --

Do you not know, brothers--for I am speaking to men who know the law--that the law has authority over a man only as long as he lives? For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage. So then, if she marries another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress, even though she marries another man. So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God. For when we were controlled by the sinful nature, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death. But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

Maccoby whacks Paul pretty hard here, calling him "remarkably muddle-headed" and "unable to keep clear in his mind who it is that corresponds to the wife and who to the husband - or even who is supposed to have died, the husband or the wife." [88-9] Well, only someone as muddle-headed as Maccoby would make this sort of complaint, because Paul is not drawing that sort of analogy here. He is not trying to make anyone or anything "correspond" with wife or husband; he is merely establishing a basic principle of contract, that death releases one from even the most sacred of contracts. There is no confusion here, except by Maccoby, who is reading into Paul's work an argument that he is not making at all.

And that's the basics; here are a few other Maccoby miscues to consider:


21 posted on 06/19/2005 7:16:20 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe; blue-duncan
Everything in blue here, I agree with PM, though I'll agree that Maccoby's other works do not seem to have the punch of Revolution In Judaea, which I regard as an excellent source work.

You may be happy to know however that he's done much to move me away from Earl Doherty's The Jesus Puzzle.

b-d, I originally found it in the Los Angeles Public Library, and later purchased a copy form Amazon.

God's grace to you both.

22 posted on 06/19/2005 8:26:53 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug; blue-duncan
Everything in blue here, I agree with PM

So you agree that Jesus failed in whatever mission he was attempting to complete and that he was not the incarnate Lord?

I'm not about to try to convince you otherwise (that's God's job, not mine), I'm just curious as to your position. I will, however, ask you the same question that Jesus asked Peter: "Who do YOU say that I am"?

When Jesus had come to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?" They said, "Some say John the Baptist, others Elijah, and still others Jeremiah or one of the prophets. He said to them, "But who do you say I am?" Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God!" Then Jesus said to him, "How blessed are you, Simon, son of John! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father in heaven has. (Matthew 16:13-17 ISV)

So if Jesus were to ask you, "Who do you say that I am?" How would you answer?

23 posted on 06/19/2005 9:42:19 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
I would say that Jesus was a potentially great Pharissaic rabbi who taught us to pray: "Our Father...." One who may have changed the course of history had his mission, as I belive he saw it, been fulfilled.

Though as God works, he indeed did change history in the sense of the rise of Christianity, and particularly, in the rise of the Judeo-Christian ethic unique to the United States, which doubtless would not have been founded had he not lived.

Thus, though not myself in their number, I will certainly say God Bless Christianity, and Christians everywhere. They may yet save the world.

24 posted on 06/19/2005 10:09:24 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: P-Marlowe

Oh, and by the way, thanks very much for posting this. I really appreciate it.


25 posted on 06/19/2005 10:18:08 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug; P-Marlowe

I'm curious as to how you can think any ethic, especially the Judeo-Christian ethic, can be based on a man who was deluded in thinking he was the Son of God, the promised Messiah of prophecy?

In Mere Christianity, C. S. Lewis writes this about Jesus:

"I am trying to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: "I am ready to accept Jesus as the great moral teacher, but I don't accept His claim to be God." That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic - on a level with the man who says he is a boiled egg - or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us."


26 posted on 06/19/2005 10:35:54 AM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: righttackle44

I trust then you've read the book of 2 Maccabees?

After the rise of Christianity, the non-Christian Jews organized a revolt, which was crushed by Caesar. In retribution, he slaugheterd the Jews and destroyed the temple. The Jews blamed their destruction on God punishing them for going "astray" with Christianity, which they saw as a Hellenic corruption of the faith of Moses. Further, they reasoned that God would never permit his Temple to be destroyed, so the Dedication was not effective, and hence Judas Maccabees was not truly a prophet.

1 and 2 Maccabees were this degraded for the following reasons:
1. They were written during the Hellenic period, which gave rise to Christianity, so must be seen as proto-Christian, and therefore corrupt. (The NT depicts the Spirit of God leaving the Temple at the time of the crucifixion. Jesus' celebration of Feast of the Dedication confirms the holiness of the Feast.)
2. The books too plainly asserted Christian doctrines.
3. Judas Maccabees was considered disproved as a prophet, and hence the curse that the prophetic spirit departed Israelwas believed to be still in force. (obviously Christians can't believe that, because prophets such as Anna, John, and Zecharaias came between the curse and the incarnation.)

For these reasons, towards the close of the first century AD, Jews excised 7 books from their scriptures, and portions of three others. THis created some controversy in Christian circles as to whether convert Jews must accept their validity to convert to Christianity. Nonetheless, these books were used within Mass universally until Luther.

(The order of Mass was the only definition of the Old testament canon in Christianity until Luther and the Council of Trent.)


27 posted on 06/19/2005 10:59:57 AM PDT by dangus
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To: blue-duncan

>> This 400 years when there was no speaking or writing prophet, <<

There most certainly were prophets in this time. The schools of the prophets were re-established with the rededication of the Temple. Two such prophets are explicitly named in the New Testament, Anna and Simeon. ("There also lived a prophetess, Anna, daughter of Phanuel of the tribe of Asher;" "It had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he should not see death until he had witnessed the consolation of Israel.")

The prophetic school was abuzz with excitement at the time of the birth of Jesus, that the Messiah was about to be born unto a woman named Mary (Miriam.) For this reason, the eldest daughter of many pious families was commonly named Mary. (Hence, the majority of women mentionned in the gospels were named Mary: Mary of Joseph, Mary the mother of James and Joses, Mary of Magdala, Mary of Bethany, Mary the wofe of Cleopas, etc.)

From this prophetic school, there were several books written, but they were rejected by the Jews after the fall of Jerusalem, because they foretold the Messiah, among other reasons.


28 posted on 06/19/2005 11:11:44 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

"I trust then you've read the book of 2 Maccabees?"

Were you talking to me? Or were you talking to
someone who knows what you're talking about.
I do not.

Thanks.


29 posted on 06/19/2005 11:14:04 AM PDT by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: dangus

I did not say there were no prophets during that time period. I said there were no speaking or writing prophets during that time. Historically, the speaking and writing prophets ended with Malachi and did not start again until John the Baptist. While prophets like Anna and Simeon were used by God for the specific purpose of attending the coming of Jesus, there is no biblical/historical record of their speaking or writing at the command of the Lord to Israel or anyone. It was not until the "Day Star" dawned that the voice of God was heard once more.


30 posted on 06/19/2005 11:28:13 AM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan
David, Solomon and other "Sons Of God" were also also "annointed" as "messaiahs", though none of them were divine. Jesus would have been dismissed as a lunatic for making such divine pronuncements of himself in violation of the First Commandment.

It's not until the "gospels", written in a largely Hellenistic vein some 40-60 years later, where but for Roman "coin trading" one might otherwise think the Jews were in charge, do we hear otherwise.

Though as I've said, Thank God for it, as we Americans most likely would not be here without that having happened.

31 posted on 06/19/2005 1:10:04 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug; blue-duncan
Jesus would have been dismissed as a lunatic for making such divine pronuncements of himself in violation of the First Commandment.

He was dismissed as a lunatic. That is why they crucified him. But then he could not have violated the first commandment if it were true that he was Divine, could he?

My question to you would be why you would consider him to be anything other than a lunatic if you don't believe he was divine? You can't say he was a great moral teacher if he taught that he and the Father were one and if you've seen him, you've seen the Father and if he said "before Abraham was, I AM." He claimed to be divine. If you don't believe he was divine, then you must believe that he was the craziest person who ever lived or he was a serial and compulsive liar. A third alternative is that he never existed.

Jesus did not leave an option of "great moral teacher". He was either divine or a lunatic or a cunningly designed fable.

32 posted on 06/19/2005 1:30:04 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
When this miracle did not occur, his mission had failed. He had no intention of being crucified in order to save mankind from eternal damnation by his sacrifice. He never regarded himself as a divine being, and would have regarded such an idea as pagan and idolatrous, an infringement of the first of the Ten Commandments

Blasphemous lies from the pit of hell, and easily disproved by NT scripture.

Of course if you don't believe the bible is the inspired Word of God, as the writer of that blasphemy obviously doesn't, then you can make up any story you like to explain the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus the Christ. But be warned, anyone who does not believe that Jesus Christ always was, now is, and forever will be the divine Son of God co-equal with the Father and the Holy Spirit in the Triune Godhead, is condemned to eternal damnation unless he or she repents of that disbelief, confesses Jesus as Lord, and believes in his or her heart that God has raised him from the dead.

33 posted on 06/19/2005 1:33:40 PM PDT by epow (After all is said and done, a lot more is usually said than done.)
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To: epow
Of course if you don't believe the bible is the inspired Word of God...

Please don't lump me in with Hyam Maccoby.

Thanks.

34 posted on 06/19/2005 1:41:30 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
If you don't believe he was divine, then you must believe that he was the craziest person who ever lived or he was a serial and compulsive liar. A third alternative is that he never existed.

The trilemma argument suffers from a logical fallacy, that of the excluded middle. While it is true that there is no alternative besides Lord, liar, or lunatic for those who accept the New Testament as a faithful representation of the events of Jesus' life, most atheists and agnostics believe the New Testament, specifically the gospels, to be legends or pious frauds. Only if the New Testament is credible do we have the "trilemma." It presupposes the Bible.

If one concludes the New Testament gospels are trustworthy eyewitness accounts (which I believe there is sufficient evidence for, since I am a Christian), then the trilemma holds up. But you must at least recognize that you assume the Gospels are accurate before the Trilemma has any logical validity.

35 posted on 06/19/2005 2:08:12 PM PDT by jude24 ("Stupid" isn't illegal - but it should be.)
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To: P-Marlowe
Sorry, that wasn't my intention at all. I was, let's just say "exercised", at the time I wrote that post and it may not have been very clear. I have since had a lengthy Father's Day conversation by phone with my son and am now quite calm and collected.

BTW, I appreciate this thread and you for posting it, thanks.

36 posted on 06/19/2005 2:21:57 PM PDT by epow (After all is said and done, a lot more is usually said than done.)
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To: jude24
But you must at least recognize that you assume the Gospels are accurate before the Trilemma has any logical validity.

True, but it is far easier for me to believe those accounts of Jesus' life, death, and resurrection than to believe the only other alternative. Who could believe that Jesus' disciples would have died under horrible torture rather than simply deny a made-up story which they knew to be a lie?

Perhaps men and women who came later and had not seen or known Jesus personally would have done so, but his disciples knew him and spent several years following him around in his travels. I don't believe that anything less than seeing a dead man rise from the grave and ascend into the heavens could persuade men to accept beatings, burning, crucifixion, flaying alive, etc, rather than to deny what they had seen and handled.

37 posted on 06/19/2005 2:37:18 PM PDT by epow (After all is said and done, a lot more is usually said than done.)
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To: epow
BTW, I appreciate this thread and you for posting it, thanks.

I've added you to the ping list.

38 posted on 06/19/2005 2:39:53 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: jude24; P-Marlowe

"The trilemma argument suffers from a logical fallacy,"

See P-M, this is the problem you find when you run into someone who doesn't trust Charley Schofield's notes. I think the point in C.S.Lewis' statement (Post#26)is one has to use the Gospels to make the case He is a great moral teacher or rabbi and you can't then take some of Jesus'statements and his ethics as true and reject the other claims he makes for Himself in the same Gospels. It is not the excluded middle as much as selective choosing.


39 posted on 06/19/2005 2:50:20 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: epow
I don't believe that anything less than seeing a dead man rise from the grave and ascend into the heavens could persuade men to accept beatings, burning, crucifixion, flaying alive, etc, rather than to deny what they had seen and handled.

Hey, I agree with you, but it is nonetheless an underlying assumption for the Trilemma argument. (This also assumes that the authors of the individual books were who they claimed to be - eyewitnesses, or those with close ties to eyewitnesses. Again, I believe this to be a reasonable assumption, but it is one nonetheless.)

40 posted on 06/19/2005 2:54:04 PM PDT by jude24 ("Stupid" isn't illegal - but it should be.)
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