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To: PetroniusMaximus

I have Amish ancestry on my mother's side and live among the Amish,as well as Mennonites and Dunkard Brethren today in central Pennsylvania.

I have so much to say on this topic, I hope I can keep my head on straight. I intend to write a book about this someday: "Amish, Mennonites and a Dried Cultic Root" or something like that.

First of all, almost all the Mennonites we know out here are related to each other. Some are 2nd and 3rd cousins. This is pretty close considering the rest of the world's gene pool. A very close couple to us are 3rd cousins on one side and 4th cousins on the other side. Her maiden name was Martin and she married a Martin. She is now XXXX Martin Martin. Her mother was also a Martin who married a Martin.

I have also seen this with the Amish where every family in our area either has the surname of Fisher or Byler. Every single one of those families are related and all their children are close cousins.

In our children's school (another anabaptist school) the majority of familes are all cousins. So far I have not heard of any intermarriage between the cousins but nothing would surprise me.

God never intended a Christian community to be a closed community. The heavy-handed tactics of the Amish and the more legalistic Mennonite leadership encourage people to remain in their communities, and marry within them, lest they literally "lose their salvation." Indeed, salvation is dependent upon exceedingly strict adherence to various codes of behavior and dress (I think dress is the most important, since Amish children drink and party, and often get pregnant. But they better LOOK right!)

Because of these tactics (which are very cultic if you look at what constitutes cultic actions of leadership), the Amish continue to remain Amish. As a result, few if any every join their groups from outside the original gene pool of a couple hundred years ago when they emigrated here. They are not just closely related; these people are more like siblings to each other. There is no strength in the gene pool and they are LOADED with deformities.

I see the deformed Amish and Mennos all the time. One poor Amish soul I have seen for years is highly cripped but manages to slide himself around; one poor Mennonite teenager had a cleft lip that his parents never sewed shut; he used to work at our local store. Another Mennonite boy has several fingers missing. A Horning Mennonite family we are close to just had a boy born with his feet on backwards. Another Mennonite family has a baby girl who was born blind and retarded. I am friends with a former Beachy Amish woman whose cousins are Maple Syrup Urine diseased. It runs in her family. And on and on. As diseased physically as they are spiritually; it is the mirror of their condition.

This is the result or turning away from the call of God to reach the world with the gospel. The Amish and Mennonites claim to be followers of Jesus Christ, yet the majority are insular, non-evangelistic, and incestuous. This is NOT the way it was meant to be.
If it were not for their incestuous marriages and cultic leadership, they would have died out along ago, assimilated into the rest of Christianity by bringing lost souls from all nations into their fold.

Moreover, to strain out a gnat and swallow a camel is a way of life. The Amish will pay to drive in people's cars or vans but they cannot own their own. Yet, some groups will allow tractors, as long as the rubber is off the tires. Horning Mennos who must drive black cars ONLY (to be "plain") drive around in shiny, beautiful, late-model Ford Mustangs, Acuras, Saturns. I always remark to my dear Mennonite brethren when I see their cars like this: "Oh, was a beautiful FANCY car you have!" It about stops them dead.

I could go on but then it will be my book. Someday.....


8 posted on 06/11/2005 2:38:47 PM PDT by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: Conservatrix
***I have Amish ancestry on my mother's side and live among the Amish...***

Thank you for your post. It is heartbreaking to hear about those poor children.

I think the Amish/Mennonites are an enigma to most Christians. Your report of them would be a welcome education for many.
9 posted on 06/11/2005 2:59:12 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Conservatrix
You really should at least put this into manuscript form, even if you don't intend to polish it up right away.

I think a lot of people view isolated inbred populations as "quaint", and don't really consider all the consequences.

It's not so much the 3rd or 4th cousin marriages, as that in a population this small and isolated you have multiple layers of cousin marriages. The potential effect multiplies with every layer.

I used to breed and show Siamese cats, and I can tell you I was VERY careful with ANY linebreeding, and I NEVER inbred. The chances of something horrible happening are just too great.

14 posted on 06/11/2005 3:13:33 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Conservatrix

Do you think some of the unwillingness to deal with the root problem (inbreeding) is due to a low level of education? I read that many Amish only attend school to the 8th grade, and don't consider education worth pursuing. Maybe if they understood more about DNA and genetics it would make a difference?


16 posted on 06/11/2005 3:25:56 PM PDT by ahayes
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To: Conservatrix
Most interesting! Thank you for sharing that with us. I personally know someone who was raised Amish. He explained to me that in the teen years, they are encouraged to go out and experience the world. When they return they must make the decision to "join" the Congregation or leave. He left.

He is quite brilliant but quirky. He took up with a group whose faith is based on some odd notion. Such a waste of talent! He has always impressed me as lost and confused.

23 posted on 06/11/2005 4:09:49 PM PDT by NYer ("Love without truth is blind; Truth without love is empty." - Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: Conservatrix
I have Amish ancestry on my mother's side and live among the Amish,as well as Mennonites and Dunkard Brethren today in central Pennsylvania.

I was unaware the Dunkards still existed. The only reference I knew about them was their church along Antietam Creek in Maryland, which was a landmark during the Battle of Sharpsburg in 1862.

Thanks for the indirect update! :-)

31 posted on 06/11/2005 6:00:08 PM PDT by Bombardier (Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it. Reenact, and stamp out farbiness!)
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To: Conservatrix

they can sure cook, though...


39 posted on 06/11/2005 8:04:38 PM PDT by Flightdeck
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To: Conservatrix

Well spoken. Us modern Christians tend to look at the Amish in this condescending way because isn't it cute and quaint that they live old fashioned. Nevermind the deficient theology, the harsh shunning, and now the inbreeding of mutants.


56 posted on 06/12/2005 11:44:07 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: Conservatrix

I've often said that the Amish should adopt Chinese baby girls. That would help two problems at once. Get rid of the inbreeding AND save a few Chinese girls lives in the process. Imagine the name: Chang Zook.


58 posted on 06/12/2005 12:15:24 PM PDT by abner (Looking for a new tagline- Next outrage please!-)
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