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To: Tantumergo
If this is where you guys get your information on Western theology then no wonder we are incomprehensible to you

Do you not believe, teach and state that God deprived humanity of His Grace? That we are born without Grace because God punished our ancestral parents?

If you do, then our theologies are reversed from the start.

Do you not believe, teach and state that our sins can be "paid off" with indulgencies, and that the departed souls in the Purgatory are subject to physical pain that lasts until God is satisfied?

Is the Immaculate Conception dogma not based on the concept of our "original sin" and God's "punishment" of death?

The entire concept of an angry God is wholly a western product that has no place in the East. This has nothing to do with "ethnic bigotry" but by opposite and incomprehensible foundations of theology that started with Saint Augustine and his rather disturbed life.

21 posted on 06/11/2005 5:38:02 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
Is the Immaculate Conception dogma not based on the concept of our "original sin" and God's "punishment" of death?

The Immaculate Conception is based upon the idea that the Fall deprived Adam's descendants of original justice, and therefore left man condemned and subject to the devil.

Since St. Photius affirmed the Immaculate Conception before the doctrine was explicitly recognized in the West, it would be rather strange to blame it on Western theology.

27 posted on 06/11/2005 6:37:51 PM PDT by gbcdoj (For if thou wilt now hold thy peace, the Jews shall be delivered by some other occasion)
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To: kosta50

"Do you not believe, teach and state that God deprived humanity of His Grace? That we are born without Grace because God punished our ancestral parents?"

No.

"Do you not believe, teach and state that our sins can be "paid off" with indulgencies, and that the departed souls in the Purgatory are subject to physical pain that lasts until God is satisfied?"

No.

"Is the Immaculate Conception dogma not based on the concept of our "original sin" and God's "punishment" of death?"

No.

"The entire concept of an angry God is wholly a western product that has no place in the East."

Again, a caricature.


49 posted on 06/12/2005 11:33:25 AM PDT by Tantumergo
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