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XS>"We also know that Y'shua spoke Greek as his quotations were always from the Septuagint version of the Tanach"

jk>NO, we don't know that! You are presuming that because the Bible was written in Greek (NT), that Jesus spoke the same language, but that argument doesn't follow. His words as written in the Gospels are not necessarily verbatim His quotes in Greek, but the authors writing His words translated into Greek.

XS>"Whether Y'shua spoke Aramaic is questionable as it's only requirement is to support the "rock"/ "peter" myth"

jk>That's ridiculous. Jesus also spoke in Aramaic in other portions of the Gospel, such as "My God, my God, why have you abandoned me". Also, in John's Gospel, the cure of the deaf man - "be opened", also in Aramaic. Your anti-catholic bias is showing through.

jk>Just because the Bible was written in Greek doesn't mean that JESUS SPOKE in Greek!

Regards

243 posted on 06/12/2005 3:57:31 PM MDT by jo kus

If you carefully research the most literal translation it will be apparent to you that
the quotes are from the Septuagint as there are subtle difference between the
Septuagint and the Hebrew of the Tanach

Matthew 27:46. Eli, Eli ... This language is not pure Hebrew nor
Syriac, but a mixture of both, called commonly “Syro-Chaldaic.” This was
probably the language which the Saviour commonly spoke. The words are
taken from Psalm 22:1.

It has been asked, What language is it that our Lord spoke? Eli, Eli, lama
sabachthani. Some say it is Hebrew-others Syriac. I say, as the evangelists.
quote it, it is neither. St. Matthew comes nearest the Hebrew,
Eli, Eli, lamah azabthani, in the words, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani.
And St. Mark comes nearest the Syriac,
Mark 15:34, [S] Alohi, Alohi,l’mono shebachtheni, in the words Eloi,Eloi, lamma sabachthani.
from Clark's commentary

What this proves is Matthew spoke Hebrew and Y'shua spoke Hebrew but

Mark who was Peter's scribe copied what Peter quoted which was Aramaic.

Please provide the citation for the deaf man healed in JOHN.

B'Shem Y'shua

First, I am on vacation, so I don't have access to a lot of "research".

"the quotes are from the Septuagint as there are subtle difference between the
Septuagint and the Hebrew of the Tanach"

I believe you are slightly confused. We were speaking of Jesus and His language. The Septaugint and the "Tanach" were written over 100 years before Jesus of Nazareth was born! We are speaking of the NT, not the OT!

From what I remember, Hebrew was not really a commonly spoken language, perhaps similar to Latin today. Aramaic was the common language spoken, as well as koine Greek.

The reference that I make regarding the deaf man was the word "be opened" Ephathath (spelling?). I don't remember the verse, sorry, I don't have a bible handy.

The point I am making is that we can't really tell if Jesus spoke Greek or not BECAUSE the Bible is written in Greek. That is a faulty logical conclusion. Jesus certainly spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. IF the common language was Aramaic, Jesus certainly spoke it, as that is how everyone in Judea understood Him.

Regards