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To: gbcdoj
That really isn't relevant to your claim in 158 and my denial of it,

How is it not relevant? From your posts you had never given me the impression that you believed any apparitions, and certainly if you accepted some it didn't seem like you thought them of any worth.

(with the provisio that the recordings of her words by the children seem to have suffered from corrupted memory at some points, e.g., the prediction of the end of WWI)

And let me guess, the vision of hell the children saw too?

As for prayers (how exactly is this relevant??)

It's relevant to me to determine if I read you the right way...if my perception of you is accurate.

For instance, what about the Sacred Heart? Do you accept the visions of St. Margaret Mary Alacoque? Do you practice that devotion and foster it? Is there big old framed pictures of The Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart in your living room or over your fireplace? Is your home enthroned?

What about Our Lady of Guadalupe? Do you believe that really happened? Do you believe that is really an image of Our Blessed Mother? what do you think of the people who make pilgrimages there? Some walk many of those steps on their knees, do you see that as having any merit?

But I reject all those rejected by the Church and also Medjugorje which is a total fraud as Michael Davies has proven.

why do you keep bringing up Medjugorje to me? I don't support Medjugorje. Whether it's a human fraud or Satanic I don't know.

175 posted on 06/20/2005 7:17:31 PM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: murphE
No, there is nothing wrong with the vision of hell. I myself have defended here on FR multiple times Our Lord's words "broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many go in thereat". I don't know why you'd think any different. But it is pretty undeniable that the statement about the end of the war was misremembered. Fr. de Marchi discusses this in The True Story of Fatima - a great book by the way, although his words about the consecration of Russia are rather amusing in light of history as we know it now.

I don't recall ever reading the visions of St. Margaret Mary so I can't say either way. No, I do not practice the particular devotion to the Sacred Heart. I think that ecclesiastically-approved pilgrimages and acts of penitence are commendable, and that Our Lady appeared to St. Juan Diego.

I don't feel obliged to answer any more of these questions, so I'm not going to respond if you ask more of them.

176 posted on 06/20/2005 7:43:08 PM PDT by gbcdoj (For if thou wilt now hold thy peace, the Jews shall be delivered by some other occasion)
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