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To: TradicalRC
Apparently, you're omniscient.

* Holy Mother Church in her Dogmatic Teachings doesn't convince you, therefore, it doesn't take an omniscent individual to write what I did. However, the compliment is appreciated.

Nah, I'll just inform God that he needs to send a heavenly messenger to you as I'm sure a ping won't cut it.

*No need to ping me. The Heavenly Messenger is Jesus speaking through His Church.

With all due respect, if you sit through a Lutheran service, you'd be hard pressed to distinguish it from a Novus Ordo Mass. If I am a dressed-up protestant, you my friend, are naked.

* Did you think the Lutherans were going to copy the service of the Mormons? Of COURSE their service looks like ours.

Au contraire, YOU are never wrong and neither is the Church. If they still defended slavery, you would blithely say the Church is right.

* New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia

Slavery and Christianity

Primitive Christianity did not attack slavery directly; but it acted as though slavery did not exist. By inspiring the best of its children with this heroic charity, examples of which have been given above, it remotely prepared the way for the abolition of slavery. To reproach the Church of the first ages with not having condemned slavery in principle, and with having tolerated it in fact, is to blame it for not having let loose a frightful revolution, in which, perhaps, all civilization would have perished with Roman society. But to say, with Ciccotti (Il tramonto della schiavitù, Fr. tr., 1910, pp. 18, 20), that primitive Christianity had not even "an embryonic vision" of a society in which there should be no slavery, to say that the Fathers of the Church did not feel "the horror of slavery", is to display either strange ignorance or singular unfairness. In St. Gregory of Nyssa (In Ecclesiastem, hom. iv) the most energetic and absolute reprobation of slavery may be found; and again in numerous passages of St. John Chrysostom's discourse we have the picture of a society without slaves - a society composed only of free workers, an ideal portrait of which he traces with the most eloquent insistence (see the texts cited in Allard, ''Les esclaves chrétiens", p. 416-23).

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If you can't get the Church and slavery right, perhaps you ought to consider not typing the next time you are tempted to criticize The Popes, the Mass, and the Council.

122 posted on 06/10/2005 7:59:28 AM PDT by bornacatholic (It must be tough being a traditionalist what with all the correcting of HM Church it demands)
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To: bornacatholic
If you can't get the Church and slavery right, perhaps you ought to consider not typing the next time you are tempted to criticize The Popes, the Mass, and the Council.

Partly right. You are quite right, the Popes condemned slavery in spite of the fact that many "Catholic" nations allowed it. Rather the same situation with birth control today. Sorry, I had this one wrong, thought it was one of those hard truths I had to accept about the historical church.

141 posted on 06/11/2005 6:33:44 AM PDT by TradicalRC (I'd rather live in a Christian theocracy than a secular democracy.)
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To: bornacatholic
perhaps you ought to consider not typing the next time you are tempted to criticize The Popes

Again I ask you to show me any post where I attacked the Pope. Do you condemn St. Paul for upbraiding Peter?

142 posted on 06/11/2005 6:43:06 AM PDT by TradicalRC (I'd rather live in a Christian theocracy than a secular democracy.)
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