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Posted on 06/02/2005 11:17:53 AM PDT by Pyro7480
The Novus Ordo was a new creation in the 1960s. You may want to claim some similarity (reconstructed through texts), but there is NO lineage of practice which connects the Novus to apostolic times. It was a wholesale break with tradition.
Correction: that should read "is the official liturgy." There is no document which officially suppressed the Tridentine and replaced it with the N.O.
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Oh, the wicker basket. Oh, Pyro, this is awful. I thought the pyrex bowls and glasses were bad enough. Especially when stacked like dinnerware after a meal. And that you sister buys into it as the norm, as well. It just shows how that can wear one down, dumbing down of everything. At my son's recent pre-graduation (HS) Mass, the glass bowls and glasses were stacked by a junior who isn't an EEM (only seniors have that privelege). She stacked all of them, 8 or 10 bowls and 8 or 10 glasses (I tried to count), and tucked them under her chin to balance, laughing and talking the whole time. Then started up the aisle out of the auditorium, pausing to talk to people along the way. I've seen dinner dishes cleared with more reverence.
My bishop leans way left, I guess this will be one of his next changes. Self-communicate from wicker baskets? I thought I'd heard it all.
lol, don't worry :-) I live in fear of putting a mantilla on backwards :-D Most of us have done stupid things in our transition to Tradition. Remember, you don't say "Amen" after receiving the Eucharist in the Traditional Mass. I kept doing this at the Indult because I didn't know any better. I could never figure out why the priest kept looking at me funny. I also didn't wear a veil (almost no one did), and this one guy always looked at me like I was the Whore of Babylon when I walked in and sat down. You're going to make mistakes. We all do. You'll look back and laugh.
I would guess the Indult Traditional Masses are a little more lenient in expectations since that is often the first stop for people transitioning over. A skirt or a dress is expected for women, and once you are at Mass you'll see the whole atmosphere creates a more formal, respectful environment. It makes sense. You should wear a veil, but I don't think anyone will kick you out if you don't. Worst case (or best case) scenario, is someone will come over and help you out. Some chapels have veils for temporary use by visitors. I wouldn't wear anything sleeveless, see through, plunging neckline or too far above the knee. Everyone dresses modestly. No denim either.
You will probably feel lost at first because of the Latin and the new atmosphere. That fades in time as you get used to it. The graces and sense of holiness more than make up for the initial disorientation. You'll also see a completely different theology of the Mass which will make our Trad vs NO battle on FR more clear.
I bought a few when I first started assisting at the TLM. This one has become my favorite, it has very detailed explanations of every action of the priest and the theological significance of each, Catholic doctrine, prayers, hymns etc. It's a treasure trove of information.
That's funny because a commission of nine cardinals created by Pope John Paul II in the 90s studied the issue and found the Tridentine Mass had never been abrogated. I believe Benedict/Ratzinger was on the commission.
You must know something they don't.
Exactly! I have said this, too. Even just a few hundred. And also, why, in my diocese, is NOT kneeling after the Eucharistic Prayer through the entire Holy Communion period a sign of 'unity' but not our reception of the Eucharist itself? We are urged to be obedient and not kneel. We can stand or sit, but not kneel. Why can the late Pope John Paul actually kneel for these parts (until he was unable) and our new Holy Father, Benedict, as well, and everyone else at a Papal Mass as a sign of reverence, but that same sign be soooo wrong for my diocese? Then there's the new 'enlightenment' of the 'Oran's' hand position...
Well here is what I know about the dress code at Traditional Latin mass chapels. I've learned this from attending the Latin Mass weekly for the past couple of years.
The strictness of what you can and can not wear usually depends upon what mass you go to. As a general rule of thumb, chapels run by the SSPX and FSSP usually encourage women to wear chapel veils and skirts (the farther below the knee, the better). There are usually chapel veiils avaiable at the door of most of these chapels, and if not you can most likely buy one at the book store. Men are usually required to wear pants (No shorts) and are usually heavily encouraged to wear some type of collared shirt, whether it is polo or button down, instead of a T-shirt.
Now things usually get murkier when you go to an indult mass, diocesan run chapel, or an independent chapel. I have been to many such masses where next to no dress code seemed to be followed. At these masses usually half the women wear head veils and the other half don't. I also noticed that at these types of masses most of the women wear the small circular veil, whereas at the FSSP and SSPX women tend to wear larger veils.
This is something brand new in my area and only a few priests urge us to do it, mostly the ones at the local Catholic schools, which means the kids will think it's normal and do it as adults even if us parents complain now... But I don't get it. It feels awkward. We aren't all 'priests' merely be being Catholic. And then it blurs the line in favor of women as priests as well.
Actually from what I understand, for Papal Masses pre-Novus Ordo at St. Peters, communion was never distributed. Only the Pope would receive communion and that was it. The Pope actually even used a "liturgical straw" to drink the precious blood as was a custom from the early part of the church.
What exactly is a "veil"? Is it a scarf that you put on your head? Why is this done? Why don't they say "Amen" at Communion? Does everyone kneel at the Communion rail?
List of Christian Book Publishers The ones marked with a "V" carry Catholic materials. Most of these have links. For the one you mentioned in Palmdale, I've found several references to it but from the link above, here's a direct link that gets you into their Bookstore.
Then there's this one: 1962 ROMAN CATHOLIC DAILY MISSAL
Hope this helps a bit ...
How things and sensibilities have changed (fallen?).
re: Missal ... Ah, I see you beat me to it! I should have done a "refresh" before cluttering up the thread with my post ... apologies.
no apologies necessary...isn't that a great missal?
Well here's the scoop, I'm surprised no one more qualified to answer these questions is doing so (i.e. a women), but I'll try my best.
A veil is a mantilla. Its a head covering that Catholic women traditionally wear. Here is a web page showing the 2 most common types of veils. The one on the left is more modern 1950s/1960s style while the one on the right is more traditional. You'll usually see a mix of the two styles at traditional chapels.
http://www.ocdsrose.com/chapel_caps.htm
Women can also just wear a hat instead of the veil, but many just prefer the veil I guess.
Why isn't Amen said? Its because the Priest when he distributes communion says the Amen for you. "Corpus Domini nostri Jesu Christi custodiat animam tuam in vitam aeternam. Amen" "May the Body of our Lord Jesus Christ preserve thy soul unto life everlasting. Amen." So there is no need for you to say Amen. All of the Eastern Rite masses I've ever attendend (Ukranian, Armenian, Melkite, Syro-Malankar) similarly don't require you to say Amen either. Its only Novus Ordo where people say Amen for commmunion.
Everyone kneels for communion and receives on the tongue. Every once in a while you'll see somebody standing for commmunion and thats because they have bad knees. So unless you have a medical problem which prevents you from kneeling you have to kneel at the altar rail to receive communion.
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