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To: Mark in the Old South
#1 No, because the apostles were married and Timothy writes about married (only once married) bishops. Fast forward to the present day, celibacy has been at the root of the child molestation scandal, whereas protestants don't have a widespread problem like this.

#2 This is a belief that it is impossible to verify. A rigorous reading states that when Christ said, "This is my Body" it referred then to the bread in His hands, not a wafer in a priests hands 2000 years in the future.

#3 A community that needs bishops will surely acquire them, no impediments to the contrary. A nondenominational community is the closest thing to the early church before all the corruption set in and is the most pure form of spiritualism in todays world...

4# Peter was the first in a lineage, and since there were times when there were two popes one in France and one in Italy each claiming to be the one, plus the bad popes, A Alexander VI,,,that turned the Vatican into a den of sin in the middle ages,,,the issue of primacy is best placed on the shoulders of the apostle that walked with Christ and then denied him before the crucification...
152 posted on 06/01/2005 12:31:35 PM PDT by aspiring.hillbilly (!.....ripped from the headlines.....!)
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To: aspiring.hillbilly

=^]

Let us start with the first one shall we. :^D
Celibicy is recommended (not required)

Matthew 19:12

If you differ with my position (and you have already gone on record as having done so...) then please offer an alternative non-Catholic and Protestant explaination for that passage.

For those without a Bible handy
Matthew 19:12
For there are eunuchs, who were born so from their mother's womb: and there are eunuchs, who were made so by men: and there are eunuchs, who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven. He that can take, let him take it.


154 posted on 06/01/2005 12:43:39 PM PDT by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: aspiring.hillbilly
#1 No, because the apostles were married and Timothy writes about married (only once married) bishops. Fast forward to the present day, celibacy has been at the root of the child molestation scandal, whereas protestants don't have a widespread problem like this.

First, the only Apostle explicitly mentioned as married was Peter.

Second, you've really got to be kidding us if you think celibacy is the root of the child molestation scandal.

Are you implying that living celibately drives men to become molesters?

It's by and large a homosexual problem. Having married priests does not somehow expunge all the gay priests, not to mention the deeply situated bureaucracy that holds the real power in the dioceses. Nevermind the unrelated negatives that come along with allowing a married clergy.

#2 This is a belief that it is impossible to verify. A rigorous reading states that when Christ said, "This is my Body" it referred then to the bread in His hands, not a wafer in a priests hands 2000 years in the future.

"Do this in memory of me..."

A nondenominational community is the closest thing to the early church before all the corruption set in and is the most pure form of spiritualism in todays world...

Which of the "non-denominations" is best? You're not possibly saying that all non-demonimationals believe the same thing are you?
194 posted on 06/01/2005 6:32:36 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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