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Catholic Church Prepares for Cold War With Evangelists
Pacific News Service ^
| 05/31/05
| Paolo Pontoniere
Posted on 06/01/2005 6:29:39 AM PDT by murphE
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To: aspiring.hillbilly
****The purpose of any church is to teach members to live by Biblical truths***
Hardly.
The ONLY job of the church is to teach Jesus Christ and encourage faith in Him. Often when Jesus would perform a healing miracle he would first ask the afflicted, "Do you believe that the Son of Man has power to heal you?". Or words to that affect. Christ was emphasizing that faith in Himself was the single needed ingredient. The Christian life flows from that faith.
First things first.
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posted on
06/01/2005 10:35:45 AM PDT
by
mercy
(never again a patsy for Bill Gates - spyware and viri free for over a year now)
To: murphE
By contrast, the Roman Catholic Church is expanding at a slower pace than the population, which will mean an overall decrease in the number of Catholics worldwide.Huh?
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posted on
06/01/2005 10:36:09 AM PDT
by
Protagoras
(Slamming other Christians isn't very Christian)
To: aspiring.hillbilly
What with all that anti-birth control stuff, I have wondered why the world hasn't been taken over by Catholics yet. :-)
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posted on
06/01/2005 10:37:55 AM PDT
by
k2blader
("A kingdom of conscience ... That is what lies at the end of Crusade.")
To: Pyro7480
It's just that EVERY single Catholic (including the Pope) has his own version of what it is Wasn't always the case...
Sounds like you miss the "good ole Inquisition days..."
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posted on
06/01/2005 10:41:00 AM PDT
by
Onelifetogive
(* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
To: aspiring.hillbilly
No, let them wave anti-death penalty placards every time a execution is taking place. That is tantamount and equivalent to saying the death penalty is wrong, the weasel wording not withstanding.Strongly disagree. Pretending that placard wavers are authoritative teachers of Catholic doctrine is incorrect.
Support for a prompt application of the death penalty is not outside Catholic teaching. They never say the penalty is wrong.
To: aspiring.hillbilly
what else are John Wayne Gacyee and Jeffrey Dahamer, or the two snipers who terroirsed Washing DC by taking random fatal shots from the trunk of a car.. or ted bundy, the BKT, the Green River,,, etc etc arent scum, then what the hell are they ???
I don't know if they are in Hell, and neither do you. Suppose that they came to Christ, and were baptized, and earnestly rejoined Christ? Would you deny them Heaven? Suppose that in another year, they would come to God, but didn't because they were killed? Are you the arbiter of Eternal Life and Death?
You missed something in the Gospel, Jesus showed us the authorities did not have any real authority except that was given by God, as they worst they could do, crucifixion, was impotent.
Vengeance is Mine, says the Lord. If they committed those crimes then they should pay, but I would prefer they change, they come to find God, and rejoin the human race in Heaven where we all belong. None of us deserve Heaven, we all merit Hell, through the Mercy of God, we can enjoy Heaven. Man was not made for Hell.
Childs of God?
Yes they are children of God, were they not born of Mothers that could love them, and are they not loved by God? If God loves Gacy, who did horrible crimes on other people, they shouldn't I? Shall I hate God because God loves these murderers? Shall I prefer Hell, because Dahmer may have been admitted to Heaven? What should I do if I come across Hitler who could have made a secret and honest conversion 15 minutes before his death? I admit that seeing those men in heaven is a amazingly huge long shot, but this is the stuff of miracles of God, and is not impossible.
The Church teaches the preference that governments should have, but also tells them in some cases that Death as a Penal institution can be applied in a correct manner. My speculations aside, your contention about the Church's teaching is based on a fallacy.
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posted on
06/01/2005 10:44:15 AM PDT
by
Dominick
("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
To: JohnnyZ
Its not hate, its a sincere desire to reform the Church, which is in denial that it needs a drastic dose of reform. You cannot fix what you don't acknowledge, and you and a million others like you are in denial that the institution has severely gone astray and needs to be put back on the path of righteousness and Biblical adherence. The teachings of the Bible are for eternity and not intended to be overruled by the trendy whims of the age. The watershed undoing was the notorious Vatican II, the aftermath of that sowed the seeds of the many scandals. What the Church needs is a wholesale return to its pre Vatican II roots. If the calling for the return to the ways of righteous as defined in the word of the Bible is what you interpret as hate, you need to examine your conscience..
To: Onelifetogive
Sounds like you miss the "good ole Inquisition days..."Sounds like you just want to pick a fight.
Read. Learn.
The Real Inquisition
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posted on
06/01/2005 10:54:54 AM PDT
by
murphE
(These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
To: Protagoras
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posted on
06/01/2005 10:55:19 AM PDT
by
murphE
(These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
To: murphE
There is tension between Roman Catholics and non in many parts of the world. For instance, my Lutheran synod often sends missionaries to South and Central American countries. This has not been viewed very kindly at times by the local Catholic clergy.
What has stopped the bad feelings somewhat is that the missionaries make no attempt to convert other Christians, but mainly focus on those who are unchurched. One priest in an interview stated he didn't mind it, since after they went back to Christ he figured he could lead them back to the Roman Catholic Church.
In places like S. Korea, Lutherans, Catholics, and Proletarians work so much together that they tend to blend in. My old church had a pastor from Seoul come one Sunday, and he often talked about working with the local Catholics, something which was pretty verboten in Nebraska.
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posted on
06/01/2005 10:55:52 AM PDT
by
redgolum
("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
To: murphE
I know, I was just commenting to the person who put the article up.
The person who did write that is a worse mathematician than me.
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posted on
06/01/2005 11:00:02 AM PDT
by
Protagoras
(I’ve had all I can stands and I can’t stands no more.....Popeye)
To: murphE
Thomas F. Madden is professor and chair of the department of history at Saint Louis University in St. Louis, Missouri. He is the author most recently of Enrico Dandolo and the Rise of Venice and editor of the forthcoming Crusades: Dude, where's my Chariot?Wow...A Catholic Professor "discovering" that the Inquisition wasn't so bad after all???? Who'd have ever guessed???
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posted on
06/01/2005 11:08:08 AM PDT
by
Onelifetogive
(* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
To: Onelifetogive
He would have no credibility as a professor and departmental chair if he did a whitewash. Give me a break.
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posted on
06/01/2005 11:11:53 AM PDT
by
Pyro7480
("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
To: k2blader
What with all that anti-birth control stuff, I have wondered why the world hasn't been taken over by Catholics yet. :-)Cause "church teaching" and "actual practice" are entirely different things.....
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posted on
06/01/2005 11:12:04 AM PDT
by
Onelifetogive
(* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
To: Dominick
Thank God your not running the legal system, we would be awash in rampaging criminals running the streets, who are incidentally "childs of God" lol
The fallacy you operate under is putting human life before eternal life. A belief in an immortal soul does not make putting to death a scumbag such a bad outcome for the innocents behind.. i.e. the advocation against the death penalty is in dire conflict with the belief that the soul is immortal.
To: Onelifetogive
Uh, he refers to and quotes protestant authors.
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posted on
06/01/2005 11:17:15 AM PDT
by
murphE
(These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
To: aspiring.hillbilly
The fallacy you operate under is putting human life before eternal life.
Excuse me? I am afraid you are simply talking in circles, here to troll and here to play games. Eternal life is Human life, and two wrongs never can make a right.
I think this is pretty pointless and off topic now. You understand the position perfectly, but, discussing the actual position would ruin the fun of your trolling this thread.
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posted on
06/01/2005 11:21:33 AM PDT
by
Dominick
("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
To: Mark in the Old South
The difference you describe is hair splitting and equivocating, they are trying to have it both ways so as to offend nobody. This is not the spiritual way to present bedrock beliefs. Contrast this to how the Bible sanctions the death penalty in many passages and without apology or ambiguity; i.e. ..stoned to death. A wavering belief in the hereafter and judgment day is foundation of the anti-death penalty zealots, because they see death as a finality.
Notice the difference?
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