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To: FatherofFive

I left this thread about an hour ago, thinking "It is enough". Nevertheless, here's another response.

**You can believe whatever you want, but the clear language of scripture says otherwise.**

I think "ye must be born again" is pretty clear language.

**In the verse 27, “Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord” In verse 29, it uses the exact language “For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.” Nothing here about causing others to sin.**

'Nothing here'? How about honoring your demand for context and admit the previous 10 chapters are packed with correction and instruction to a church body struggling with corruption? Paul commands them in 1 Cor. 5:11 "..not to keep company, if any man that is CALLED A BROTHER be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat." Yet the faithful (the body of Christ) were eating the Lord's supper in a haphazard way, in the presence of openly sinful brethern.

**Your interpretation requires you to bounce around, cut and paste the verses to make this connection.**

Thou that judgest art guilty of the same??? :)

**I am the Bread of life. Questions. No clarifications, corrections or retractions. Desertion by followers. Those who left understood they Jesus told them to eat the literal flesh of the Lord.**

No, they understood his words, "it is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit and they are life."

**It was Peter and company who stayed because they had “knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven”.**

I think Peter's commands in Acts 2:38 are pretty clear as well, yet the RCC does not follow those orders.


282 posted on 06/09/2005 7:51:44 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: Zuriel

I think "ye must be born again" is pretty clear language.

Again, jumping around and avoiding answering a simple question.

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“Paul commands them in 1 Cor. 5:11 "..not to keep company, if any man that is CALLED A BROTHER be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat." Yet the faithful (the body of Christ) were eating the Lord's supper in a haphazard way, in the presence of openly sinful brethern.”

Again, you have to jump back 5 chapters, cut and paste to come with up with your interpretation. You ignore the literal. Somehow you equate “not discerning the Lord’s body” which is mentioned just two verses this one, with fornicators. The Lord’s supper is not mentioned in 1 Cor. 5. How do you connect these? Jumping around, cutting and pasting.

Try reading the actual scripture.

“For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. 1 Corinthians 11:23-30

There is nothing here that relates to the verse you cited.

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“Thou that judgest art guilty of the same??? :)”
Huh? I read three verses together, but you consider this jumping around and cutting and pasting? That makes a lot of sense.

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“No, they understood his words”

* I am the vine. Symbolic language. No one questioned. No one left.
* I am the door. Symbolic language. No one questioned. No one left.
* I am the light. Symbolic language. No one questioned. No one left.
* I am the Bread of life. Lots of questions. In John 6:60 : "Many of his disciples, when they heard it, said, ‘This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?’" These were His disciples. No clarifications, corrections or retractions. Desertion by followers. Those who left understood Jesus told them to eat the literal flesh of the Lord. This they could not accept. This is when Judas turned, not being able to accept the literal truth.

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“I think Peter's commands in Acts 2:38 are pretty clear as well, yet the RCC does not follow those orders.”

Jumping around again, avoiding a simple question.

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Are you saying that the Catholic Church does not believe in Baptism? Wrong again.


284 posted on 06/09/2005 10:13:59 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Choose life!)
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