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To: rwfromkansas
and also that by the grace of God she was preserved from every sin, mortal and venial.

This, I might add, we share with the Orthodox. Our dispute with them on the Immaculate Conception regards not whether she sinned but whether she was sanctified at her birth. As the Patriarch of Constantinople and his suffragans wrote to Pope Leo XIII in 1895:

The one holy, catholic and apostolic Church of the seven Ecumenical Councils teaches that the supernatural incarnation of the only-begotten Son and Word of God, of the Holy Ghost and the Virgin Mary, is alone pure and immaculate; but the Papal Church scarcely forty years ago again made an innovation by laying down a novel dogma concerning the immaculate conception of the Mother of God and ever-Virgin Mary, which was unknown to the ancient Church (and strongly opposed at different times even by the more distinguished among the papal theologians).

The claim that it was "unknown to the ancient Church" or to the "one holy, catholic and apostolic Church of the seven Ecumenical Councils" seems quite open to dispute... Apparently even Photios himself was a partisan of the doctrine.

143 posted on 05/30/2005 5:32:11 PM PDT by gbcdoj (Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life.)
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To: rwfromkansas
but whether she was sanctified at her birth

Conception, not birth! My mistake.

144 posted on 05/30/2005 5:32:57 PM PDT by gbcdoj (Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life.)
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