[rwfromkansas]

Well, subtle word differences in theology can mean a lot, but on first glance, this Protestant has no problem with those two statements.

It is certainly true as James says that faith without works is dead. For, a true faith must show itself in works, a true faith WILL result in a changed life that results in doing good in the world. If it doesn't, your faith is fake.

I can agree with that....it doesn't say works save (another Orthodox site I was at absolutely denounced the view that works save), but they will accompany a true saving faith. A true saving faith will produce works. That is true and a Biblical view, again unlike the Catholic stretch.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

That is true and a Biblical view, again unlike the Catholic stretch.

Catholics do not believe works save.

[aposiopetic]

This is an extraordinarily edifying thread. I post the following merely to offer a citation to authority in support of Canticle_of_Deborah's correct statement in #82. As many here know, I am not (yet?) Orthodox or Roman Catholic. Maybe because I am still on the outside looking in, I hate it when a thread gets co-opted into bashing of either group or mischaracterization of its teaching.

Canon 1 of the Council of Trent: If anyone says that man can be justified before God by his own works, whether done by his own natural powers or through the teaching of the law, without divine grace through Jesus Christ, let him be anathema.