Ancient rhythm: Converts to Orthodoxy growing in America

sltrib.com ^ | 04/29/2005 11:16:34 PM | Robin Galiano Russell

[rwfromkansas]

Wow. I certainly agree with you about the implications of the Resurrection and the fact that saints who are "dead" really aren't.

Interesting post.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

That is true and a Biblical view, again unlike the Catholic stretch.

Catholics do not believe works save.

[aposiopetic]

This is an extraordinarily edifying thread. I post the following merely to offer a citation to authority in support of Canticle_of_Deborah's correct statement in #82. As many here know, I am not (yet?) Orthodox or Roman Catholic. Maybe because I am still on the outside looking in, I hate it when a thread gets co-opted into bashing of either group or mischaracterization of its teaching.

Canon 1 of the Council of Trent: If anyone says that man can be justified before God by his own works, whether done by his own natural powers or through the teaching of the law, without divine grace through Jesus Christ, let him be anathema.

[TexConfederate1861]

The Council of Trent is NOT one of the original 7 Ecumenical Councils. and is not recognized by Orthodox Christians....... (just a point of reference)

[aposiopetic]

Of course. My purpose was to demonstrate that justification by works apart from grace is expressly excluded from Roman Catholic doctrine, for which reason I chose to cite the canon of a council regarded as being of universal authority by Roman Catholics and not by Orthodox.

[Claud]

The ancient liturgies, chants, incense and sacraments used in Orthodox services, he discovered, were not taken from medieval Catholicism - as his Protestant upbringing taught him

Wow...is this really an opinion some folks have out there? Any encyclopedia would refute that in a few minutes!

[Claud]

I will say that if they think our doctrines on Panagia are somehow or other "softer" than Rome's, they must experience quite a comeuppance once they realize where we are with her! :)

LOL!! Warms my heart that does!

[Kolokotronis]

" LOL!! Warms my heart that does!"

I suspect that there is one place where there is absolutely no doubt amongst us Orthodox and Romans, and that is the absolute confidence we each have in the others' profound and unshakable devotion to The Most Holy Theotokos!