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To: biblewonk
Each verse you mention seems to lack any mention of sacrifice or eucharist or priest.

The Eucharist is instituted at the Last Supper and its sacrificial character is clear from John 6, although all accounts of the Eucharist (Matthew 26, Mark 14, Luke 22, 1 Cor 11) make reference to the body and blood of Christ present in the Eucharist. The word "sacrifice" may not be there, but the reference to the sacrifice at Calgary is, I think, clear.

The fact that a priest, and not just anyone, offers sacrifice is clear from the Old Testament. This tradition was filled with a new meaning and continued in the Christian Church. We know that historically (for example, the 1 Nicean Council in AD 325 mentions the established liturgical practice and rectifies abuses). I am not aware of any New Testament verse that specifically makes the distinction between priests and laymen, although priests and their function of providing sacraments is clear from James 5:14-15, which also indicates that at least for the annointing of the sick a layman won't do. Since the distinction between priests and laymen was clear to all Jews, there was no pastoral need to put it down on paper.

Ordination by laying of hands is mentioned numerous times, as you know. Timothy's position of bishop, as well as existence of priests is in 1 Tim 5. Also see Titus 1:5.

185 posted on 05/27/2005 9:19:22 AM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex
The Eucharist is instituted at the Last Supper and its sacrificial character is clear from John 6, although all accounts of the Eucharist (Matthew 26, Mark 14, Luke 22, 1 Cor 11) make reference to the body and blood of Christ present in the Eucharist. The word "sacrifice" may not be there, but the reference to the sacrifice at Calgary is, I think, clear.

I can see Jesus's sacrifice there in John 6 but I'm missing the part about any Eucharist at all. When you say Eucharist what are you saying that I might actually fine in the bible?

198 posted on 05/27/2005 10:54:56 AM PDT by biblewonk (Socialism isn't all bad.)
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To: annalex
The fact that a priest, and not just anyone, offers sacrifice is clear from the Old Testament.

Yes it is very very very clear there in the OT regarding a Jewish priest. You are right, I can find that in the bible and am with you 100 percent. This is all part of the definition of a priest which is certainly not an Elder as we see in the NT.

This tradition was filled with a new meaning and continued in the Christian Church.

Yes in two ways, Jesus is now our High Priest and all Christians are priests so I agree up to this point.

We know that historically (for example, the 1 Nicean Council in AD 325 mentions the established liturgical practice and rectifies abuses).

You lost me here. We've left the bible.

I am not aware of any New Testament verse that specifically makes the distinction between priests and laymen, although priests and their function of providing sacraments is clear from James 5:14-15, which also indicates that at least for the annointing of the sick a layman won't do.

I'm still hoping for even the merest mention of a priest in the NT let along any details about their pay grades.

Since the distinction between priests and laymen was clear to all Jews, there was no pastoral need to put it down on paper.

Ofcourse it was clear because it was a position established by the Law and help by blood. It was a blood lineage.

199 posted on 05/27/2005 10:59:45 AM PDT by biblewonk (Socialism isn't all bad.)
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