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Cardinal says Priests will marry
The Scotsman ^ | 5/26/2005

Posted on 05/25/2005 10:35:49 PM PDT by sinkspur

THE leader of Scotland's Catholics has risked reigniting a row over married priests by predicting the Vatican will eventually relent and allow the practice.

Cardinal Keith O'Brien, the Archbishop of St Andrews and Edinburgh, said the success of married deacons in the church means the change is likely.

The church leader has upset traditional Catholics in the past with his views on celibacy, homosexuality and the priesthood.

His latest comments were made in an interview with the Catholic Times, which will be published on Sunday,

Asked if he believed married priests will become a reality, he said: "Having seen something of the apostolate of married deacons, I can foresee the day when there will be married priests."

The Cardinal has angered conservative Catholics in the past with his acceptance of gay priests, as long as they remained celibate.

However, since being elevated to the College of Cardinals he has espoused views more in line with Vatican teachings. Cardinal O'Brien's latest comments drew criticism from the right-wing Catholic Truth movement.

A spokesman for the group said: "He is trying to say that he is not necessarily personally in favour of this but we can debate it. It's a sleekit way of trying to have his cake and eat it."

However, a poll of 80 Catholic priests in Scotland conducted only last month suggested 40 per cent believed they should be allowed to marry, but the issue remains thorny to many conservative Catholics.

Cardinal O'Brien gained a reputation as a liberal after he said in 2002, before he became a cardinal, that he saw no end to theological argument against celibacy within the priesthood.

A day later he issued a joint statement with Mario Conti, the archbishop of Glasgow, in which the pair said: "While no-one would suggest clerical celibacy is an unchangeable discipline, we believe it has an enormous value."

The following year he risked angering conservatives again when he broached the subject of married priests.

He said in a thanksgiving mass that the church should have "at every level" a discussion about clerical celibacy.

He said the argument for married priests was supported by the case of married Anglican priests who have converted to Catholicism and been allowed to continue their ministries.

However, at the ecclesiastical senate in Rome in October 2003, he made a statement at the end of the Nicene Creed in which he affirmed support of the church's teachings on celibacy, contraception and homosexuality.

It was claimed at the time, but denied, that the added words were said under pressure from the Vatican.

Since then the Cardinal has been careful not to speak out on any of the issues that caused so much controversy.

A spokesman for the Church said today that the Cardinal's comments were not incompatible with his profession of faith in 2003.

He said: "It is a neutral comment on the issue, it is neither a ringing endorsement of the concept, neither is it an outright denunciation."


TOPICS: Catholic; General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: catholicchurch; europeanchristians; marriage; priests; scotland
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1 posted on 05/25/2005 10:35:49 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Petronski

heh! What is it with people? Why can't they just form their own branch like the hootnanny churches do? It's not as if the Vatican is going to send the Swiss Army after them.


3 posted on 05/25/2005 10:41:28 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: sinkspur

It will be interesting to see if B-16 slaps this down.


4 posted on 05/25/2005 10:41:58 PM PDT by Torie (Constrain rogue state courts; repeal your state constitution)
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To: cyborg

It's about ambition and power. It's about saying "my ambition is more important than your rules, and my power will change your rules, and I will be in charge." It's about marking territory.

It's no different than a feral cat spraying its territory. "This institution will serve ME. This is MY turf." Not one bit of difference.


5 posted on 05/25/2005 10:44:41 PM PDT by Petronski (A champion of dance, my moves will put you in a trance, and I never leave the disco alone.)
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To: Petronski

I've discovered what you've been referring to all along...
http://www.angelfire.com/pa3/OldWorldBasic/AmChurch1.htm


6 posted on 05/25/2005 10:46:52 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: Torie
The Anglican Dispensation along with the married permanent diaconate was the beginning of the end of mandatory celibacy in the Latin Rite.

Remember that article earlier tonight, on the reunion of the Anglicans, Orthodox and Catholics?

That will hasten it even more.

7 posted on 05/25/2005 10:47:52 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: sinkspur

Could you point me to the article you are talking about?


8 posted on 05/25/2005 10:50:22 PM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: cyborg
There exists a splinter group called ‘Catholics for a Free Choice’, funded in part by Hugh Hefner of Playboy (that great promoter of chastity and respect for women), who are good for a media sound bite to stab the Church.

Precisely. CFC is all about Frances Kissling saying "This Church will bow to MY gospel, the book of Frances." She's marking her territory by rhetorically pissing all over the Holy Roman Catholic Church.

And why? So she and her ilk can feel GOOD about infanticide.

9 posted on 05/25/2005 10:50:35 PM PDT by Petronski (A champion of dance, my moves will put you in a trance, and I never leave the disco alone.)
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To: sinkspur

It is all guess work, but I have this gut instinct that B-16 in his presumably relatively short term, has at least one big surprise to offer up. I don't think this practical intellectual has a do nothing but further calcify and ossify mind set. We shall see.


10 posted on 05/25/2005 10:51:23 PM PDT by Torie (Constrain rogue state courts; repeal your state constitution)
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To: CasearianDaoist
Here.
11 posted on 05/25/2005 11:01:27 PM PDT by Torie (Constrain rogue state courts; repeal your state constitution)
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To: ELS; NYer; american colleen; sockmonkey; nickcarraway; Salvation; Pyro7480; St. Johann Tetzel; ...
Keith O'Brainless is a toad who should never have been made Cardinal. Archbishop Mario Conti should have been made Scotland's Cardinal Archbishop of Glasgow, and there are many who are convinced that the Superforce of evil switched papers at the Vatican at the last minute and gave the world the Amazing Scottish Mahony.
13 posted on 05/25/2005 11:13:09 PM PDT by Siobhan ("Whenever you come to save Rome, make all the noise you want." -- Pius XII)
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To: sinkspur

You had my comment in #2 pulled. How quaint.



All I did was point out how this article is your big dream come true! I used a different word that better captures your sense of excitement, and the accuracy of it really made you nervous.


15 posted on 05/25/2005 11:19:06 PM PDT by Petronski (A champion of dance, my moves will put you in a trance, and I never leave the disco alone.)
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To: Siobhan

You can't just paper over things like this. There's something desperately wrong about a Vatican that would hand a red hat to this man.


16 posted on 05/25/2005 11:25:36 PM PDT by Romulus (Der Inn fließt in den Tiber.)
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17 posted on 05/25/2005 11:26:51 PM PDT by Talking_Mouse (Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just... Thomas Jefferson)
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To: sinkspur
Diogenes, as is his custom, nails the matter:

Not only has O'Brien failed to present and explain celibacy in its "biblical, theological and spiritual richness," [Pastores Dabo Vobis] he almost certainly doesn't see this richness himself, otherwise he couldn't have so casually predicted its obsolescence. Not a word about chastity as a gift offered to God in imitation of Christ: the married priest, like the cordless microphone, is an idea whose time has come. Whence the message sent to the faithful celibate dragging his 50 years of priesthood toward retirement is, "You lose, old boy! Enjoy your stamp collection." http://www.cwnews.com/offtherecord/offtherecord.cfm
18 posted on 05/25/2005 11:36:16 PM PDT by jobim
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To: jobim
Not a word about chastity as a gift offered to God in imitation of Christ: the married priest, like the cordless microphone, is an idea whose time has come.


19 posted on 05/25/2005 11:39:27 PM PDT by Petronski (A champion of dance, my moves will put you in a trance, and I never leave the disco alone.)
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To: Petronski
And through this cordless microphone, our own inimitable Deacon sings... what else? One Note Samba
20 posted on 05/25/2005 11:48:41 PM PDT by jobim
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