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To: Pio
You need to look to St. Paul to start to understand what is going on here in the Roman Catholic Church. He encouraged celibacy for those that could handle it, St Peter and his ability to bind and loose long pre-dates the Bible. With St. Paul in mind, joining the priesthood is to be encouraged, for those who can take up that cross.

You are cutting and pasting tiny little tidbits here and there without really caring what Paul was saying. Yes he discussed not getting married for those who were called to that but he also lays out the requirements for entering into the ministry as an Elder and one of them is to be married and have kids.

You just cannot handle the 2000 year old ascetic, monastic, Pauline, priesthood of Jesus Christ that long pre-dates the Bible. It does not fit into your Protestant ideal ... so, you have the marriage of Martin Luther and Henry VIII as your archtype ... so have at it and see where it gets you....it's just that we're happy to be served by priests in the Jesus/St. Paul mode and the direct replacement of St Peter says it shall be so ... we're not interested in Benny Hinn/Billy Graham/Martin Luther.

I definitely can't handle things that are not from the bible being passed off as being Christian tradition. You are quite right about that. Interestingly, Nickolus Shrek of the Church of Satan is just about the only other person I've heard use the word archtype. Can you show me where the bible says that there will be a priesthood that is other than the "priesthood of believers" which gets between my direct connection to God? Can you show me where the bible says Mary is the distributer of all graces or even where the bible says that Graces are spiritual credits to be weighed against sins?

27 posted on 05/25/2005 10:40:03 AM PDT by biblewonk (Socialism isn't all bad.)
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To: biblewonk
Yes he discussed not getting married for those who were called to that but he also lays out the requirements for entering into the ministry as an Elder and one of them is to be married and have kids.

Is that a requirement or merely a permission? Is he saying "husband of one wife" as in "married, not single" or "husband of one wife" as in "has been married, at most, once"?

All the evidence is in favor of the latter interpretation. We know, for example, that St. John the Apostle served as bishop of Ephesus. There's no evidence that he ever married. Jesus himself never married; you can hardly argue that divine law excludes Christ himself from the ministry. St. Paul says flatly that it is better not to marry, but your interpretation has him saying "it is better not to marry, but you can't be an elder or an overseer unless you do". The Holy Spirit can't contradict himself.

32 posted on 05/25/2005 11:02:56 AM PDT by Campion (Truth is not determined by a majority vote -- Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: biblewonk
You are cutting and pasting tiny little tidbits here and there without really caring what Paul was saying.

Isn't that the same as what Protties do? Only they do it with the Bible and the words of Christ?
36 posted on 05/25/2005 5:31:44 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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