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To: amosmoses; Jeremiah Jr
So are you arguing with that poster that believers are not saved by grace? Be sure to tell the Lord that you are entitled to enter the kingdom based on you "good " works at the day of judgment.

Matthew 7:18-20

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

60 posted on 05/21/2005 12:07:35 AM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Thinkin' Gal; amosmoses

There is plenty of debate on "works".

We are not saved by our own works, that's for sure. But are saved to work the works of God.

Saved by grace. True. Unmerited favor. It's because he loves us that he sends preachers that preach the plan of salvation.

Gotta hear the God ordained preacher? Yes. Some effort involved in that? Yes.
Gotta believe what that preacher says? Yes. (turning toward God, which is repentance, is a product of belief)
Gotta call on the name of the Lord? Yes. Some effort involved in that? Yes.

Believing on the Lord Jesus Christ is not only about what he did, but also what he said. ("..whosoever heareth these sayings of mine..")

Here's some of the important things he said:

John 3:3-8 "..Except a man be born again, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God", "..Except a man be born of the water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God". "..Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again". "thou hearest the sound thereof....so is every one that is born of the Spirit".

And John 7:38,39 "He that believeth on me as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water" (But this spake he of the Spirit which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)


61 posted on 05/21/2005 7:34:35 AM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: Thinkin' Gal

Bad fruit in that context is actually referring to heresies- Unless you beleive muslims and christ rejecters can produce good fruit as well.


63 posted on 05/21/2005 7:56:45 AM PDT by amosmoses (For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. Romans 10:2)
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Matthew 7:18-20 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Sure. And a good tree is ONLY good, because that tree is born again by GRACE ALONE. I do good works, because I'm ALREADY saved by grace.

I think you're just not yet Thinkin' it through. ;)

67 posted on 05/21/2005 8:26:23 AM PDT by gamarob1
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

Commandments/Mitzvot

They won’t get past the Mezuzah !

68 posted on 05/24/2005 12:57:09 PM PDT by Jeremiah Jr (T.O.E. = Unification = Echad!)
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