Posted on 05/15/2005 10:33:10 AM PDT by Alouette
Why would you have a problem worshipping the same God Jesus worshipped?
Blackie,
I assume that by "minions" you mean the priests and faithful who formally adhere to the SSPX. I am aware of their arguments as to the "excommunications". They may be right, they may not be, but I am quite certain that I did not raise the teachings of St. Thomas Aquinas in that context. The only "remarkable fantasy" at work here is your assertion that I did so.
Please read my post carefully. The thing that I am "out" of is the SSPX, not the Church. I am not in a position to "demand" anything of the Holy Father. To reiterate, if B16 sees fit to regularize the canonical status of the SSPX, I would readily join in with them, as i agree with many of their positions on Tradition. Until that time, I am not comfortable doing so.
As to the cafeteria being closed, maye you need to get out more. The degree and number of liturgical abuses, even in our small community, is astounding. We have priests that openly state that they don't believe in the Real Presence, and who do not really believe that the sacrament of confession is vital to the forgiveness of sins. they view the Anointing of the Sick as annoying superstition, and had to be dragged in kicking and screaming last summer when my 8-year-old was in the ICU. I have grave doubts that the necessary intent is there for receiving valid sacraments from priests such as these. If it's different where you are, you should consider yourself blessed. I have high hopes for Benedict XVI to straighten things out. Unfortunately, right now, the cafeteria may be closing, but it's a long way from being there.
LPC
I wasn't aware that Jews worshipped the Holy Trinity, as the Church requires Catholics to do. But I do think that, for example, the Pope engaging in the superstition of inserting "prayers" into the wailing wall, or kissing the koran, tends to create confusion in the minds of the faithful, and thus shouldn't be done.
So Jesus worshipped the Trinity, huh? Sure he did. Right after attending a pork BBQ at his local church on a Sunday.
I've read more than a few offerings from Jewish World Review and have never been disappointed.
There is a "semitic-thinking" thing--it's not quite the same as RC, or Western/Aristotelian--it will take me a while to get into that.
Sh'ma, Yisroel...
The Greek Orthodox priest, before proclaiming the Gospel, says "Be Attentive"...
Not a coincidence.
OK.
We have a good beginning, and a good ending.
So the middle--well--that will be a challenge.
FORTUNATELY, it's B-16's challenge, not ours.
"Amen I say to you, before Abraham was I AM"
That question about worshipping the same God Jesus "worshipped" is thoroughly wrongheaded, from a Christian perspective.
Just some of that "stuff in the middle" ...
I'm pretty sure that Catholics do, which is what I wrote in my post. Reading comprehension is an important skill.
"...who together with the Father and the Son is to be adored and glorified, who spoke by the Prophets. And one holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We confess (I confess) one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for (I look for) the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen."
How much of this can is in conformity with Jewish belief?"
Off the top of my head, I would say about one third.
"I'm pretty sure you're supposed to buy into that "stuff in the middle", even in the current Catholic Cafeteria."
Of course you are. And not "buying into it would certainly make you an infidel and that is what you have quoted from the Angleic Doctor.
But, does the Dumb Ox speak anything about worshipping with infidels or not? I am ignorant on that point, I admit.
I had never thought of the Sh'ma Israel being corrolative to the frequent "Wisdom, let us attend/let us be attentive" in Orthodox services, but you are quite right.
I doubt Jesus was aware he was worhipping a truine God
Either one translates to "Lisssen UP!"
This is the point in the conversation when its forgotten we're having a civil discussion and the insults begin.
If you were waiting for the insults to begin, you missed it by about 80 posts or so, where I was accused of everything from wanting to bring back the inquisition to cheering the holocaust. I don't believe that calling for a careful reading of a previous post (BTW, that applies to your post 115 as well) constitutes an insult. Rather, I would think that in itself would be a prerequisite for a civil discussion.
really? my 115 was an insult?
so just to be clear, the
God Jesus the Jew worshipped was not the same as
the God the Jews worship?
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