[Piers-the-Ploughman]

Indeed, why isn't the thread discussed more?

There is repeated sarcasm as if whichever side mocks the most and the best wins. And, to think some call John Paul II their hero when they act like Young College Republicans or Democrats with all their erudite sarcasm, hardly like the late beloved Pope.

Both sides have scored some points in the part of the thread that qualifies as debate.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

I see repeated accusations of hysteria and being irrational, yet all I've done is post linked first hand sources and the other side goes nuts with the personal attacks.

If the linked sources (like the Cardinal Kung Foundation) are wrong I'd like to see why. I also note there have been no Levada defenders from within his diocese. They all live in other parts of the country. Those of us here in CA know the apostates well.