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To: murphE
Hey, Murph: Try to recognize reality now and then. Also, no Catholic has any obligation to note your existence much less to fence with the usual schismatic lies. Nonetheless:

As to the mixup on the two Lefebvres, I recall promptly conceding when corrected. That is more than your excommunicated Lefebvre or his followers do when they are corrected by actual papal authority (JP II) in Ecclesia Dei.

Show me where I EVER said that Malachi Martin was not a priest in good standing.

The Angelus Press is an organ of SSPX and therefore the statements as to schismatic publisher and authors and eitors ARE correct. You can deny papal authority exercised in Ecclesia Dei until the cows come home and, having eaten, provide you with new schismatic fantasies in solid form but a schism is a schism is a schism and an excommunication is an excommunicvation is an excommunication.

The excommunications and the declaration of schism are JP II's words in Ecclesia Dei and not mine. I just repeat the point for you and yours whenever you are lying about the status of SSPX and its leaders and its adherents. It is my personal hope that SSPX and its sycophants stay outside the Church. The Roman Catholic Church has far more important things to worry about than noticing SSPX and its stiff-necked ecclesiastically criminal leadership. With very public humiliation, renunciation, repentance and penance, perhaps the schismatics may persuade the relevant authorities to forgive. The bar should be set extremely high to match the ids in question.

You are not needed in the Roman Catholic Church. You are generally not wanted in the Roman Catholic Church except insofar as someone may suffer an overdose of charitable spirit towards those who showed no respect to JP II or his authority. Go nurse your incessant whining and grievances elsewhere.

50 posted on 05/14/2005 10:44:26 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk

Stop Writing under Black Elk's name! It's obvious some mentally deranged psychopath is on his computer.

I know for a fact that he's not the type of character who would say some of the utterly stupid things I've just read.

Only an insane moron would say who is not wanted in the Catholic Church.

So stop using Black Elk's good name to make him look ignorant and stupid beyond belief.

We are all hoping and praying for him to come out of his persistent vegative state and delight us with his fluid and meandering musings.

Lord, I miss his firm grasp of facts and excellent debating skills. So charitable and concise. A prince among men.


52 posted on 05/14/2005 10:51:13 PM PDT by Gerard.P (The lips of liberals drip with honey while their hands drip with blood--Bishop Williamson)
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To: BlackElk
no Catholic has any obligation to note your existence much less to fence with the usual schismatic lies

Calumny - the unjust damaging of the good name of another by imputing to him a crime or fault of which he is not guilty.

I will no longer respond to you for I refuse to be an accessory by provocation.

53 posted on 05/14/2005 10:51:35 PM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: BlackElk
It is my personal hope that SSPX and its sycophants stay outside the Church.

!!! A little too much hostility there, maybe?

... from a heart overflowing with love We ask each and every one of them to correspond to the interior movements of grace, and to seek to withdraw from that state in which they cannot be sure of their salvation ... (Pius XII, Mystici Corporis)

68 posted on 05/15/2005 9:12:55 AM PDT by gbcdoj (Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life.)
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To: BlackElk

It is the Catholic church that has defected from the church and her teachings- not SSPX or any of the other 700 or so traditional church's in the US. All they want is to worship in a reverent way and not have the spirit of Ecumenism, folk masses, hand holding, swaying, 60,000 annulments a year, communion in the hand, tabernacles removed, kids dressed in shorts and flip flops, girls with midrifs showing, unconsecrated hands distributing our Lords body into unconsecrated hands and then to be sold on e-bay, standing instead of kneeling to receive our Lords body after his sacrifice was made with us worshipping God and not eachother, reading from scripture from the DR-bible and not the retranslated PC version new American......Did I leave anything out? Sounds like a new religion to me and maybe Archbishop Lefebvre was trying to save his soul, as others have done in past heresy's and did not defect with the church. Anyone remember some bad Popes we had, like maybe Pope Leo DeMedici who purchased the papacy and then had to sell indulgences to pay off the sistine chapel and caused Luther to go nuts?

Well you may have to put Pope John XXIII and Paul VI in with him when history looks back on the Catholic church in the 21st century


72 posted on 05/15/2005 10:39:32 AM PDT by BulldogCatholic
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To: BlackElk

The SSPX nor Angelus Press wrote "My Catholic Faith" (or many of the reprints they publish for that matter).


77 posted on 05/15/2005 11:05:50 AM PDT by CouncilofTrent (Quo Primum...)
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To: BlackElk
"My Catholic Faith" is distributed by the Angelus. Newman Press is the publisher.
83 posted on 05/15/2005 12:26:56 PM PDT by HapaxLegamenon
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