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To: gbcdoj
Martin's status was, I think, unclear...

Not hardly.

Malachi Martin never left the Catholic priesthood, but was personally dispensed from his vows of poverty and obedience by Paul VI on leaving the Jesuits in 1964. I have seen and authenticated his dispensation papers. He did not seek release from his vow of chastity. When he came to New York, Cardinal Cooke gave him priestly faculties, and advised him to find lodging with a family rather than live alone as he initially did.

If Cardinal Cooke gave him priestly faculties, he was a priest in good standing, no?

But Fr. Fiore's statements based upon his confidence in the representations of his friend can hardly constitute a proof sufficient to make it unreasonable to believe the Vatican and Jesuit statements on the subject.

It proved what it needed to in order to refute what Black Elk was saying about Fr. Martin, but you are walking into the middle of a conversation, once again.

You cannot see any reason why the "Vatican" and Jesuit statements may be, ahem, intentionally misleading, no reason why they would want to discredit Fr. Martin? You believe who you want to believe.

On "Almighty God", "great thumb", etc. Here is the prayer:

Yeah, name one saint who would have done the same thing. I'm not alone in this, Fr. Echert from the EWTN expert forum shares my opinion. Oh by the way, you might know this, if JPII is canonized, will he be the first saint in history to have ever kissed the Koran? I'm not talking about any saints who were converts from Islam prior to becoming Catholic either.

As for the stuff about intellectually inferior, I have never stated such a thing

Sure you did, and you asked me to drop out of the discussion because of it, I'm obliging.

44 posted on 05/14/2005 9:22:12 PM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: murphE
If Cardinal Cooke gave him priestly faculties, he was a priest in good standing, no?

That's why I said it was unclear. Of course, Fr. Fiore would have received that information from Martin himself, and Fiore didn't say he had seen those papers.

Yeah, name one saint who would have done the same thing.

You just totally missed the point. And, I think the saints would agree that misrepresentation is not a good thing - being an animist is bad enough (And he who disbelieves...), there is no reason for spreading confusion about the prayer they prayed at Assisi.

you asked me to drop out of the discussion because of it

Never stated such.

46 posted on 05/14/2005 9:45:34 PM PDT by gbcdoj (Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life.)
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