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To: gbcdoj

Are you a canon lawyer? Just what is your level of expertise? I for one am sick of watching you abuse people with your drivel.


38 posted on 05/14/2005 8:31:49 PM PDT by Gerard.P (The lips of liberals drip with honey while their hands drip with blood--Bishop Williamson)
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To: Gerard.P
Ah - well I must admit being wrong about one thing - the quote was from Traditio and not from the SSPX website where I have seen it from before, so it's not "SSPX canon law expertise", although the SSPX website claims the same thing. You can look up the canons I cited yourself, and Bruskewitz's decree establishing the law is on the SSPX.org website under "Diocesan dialogues", or some such heading. I don't have formal training in canon law, but I can read, unlike whoever writes for the Traditio website (saw recently that they're still claiming that canonizations aren't infallible, and citing a passage where St. Thomas compares them to scripture and the definitions of ecumenical councils and says that neither the Church nor the pontiff can err in them as their proof! Another victory for true tradition, hmm?) The CIC talks about how bishops should use their authority in establishing excommunications under diocesan laws (oppose the crime of schism which is already covered by universal Church Law in the CIC).
Can. 1315 §1 Whoever has legislative power can also make penal laws. A legislator can, however, by laws of his own, reinforce with a fitting penalty a divine law or an ecclesiastical law of a higher authority, observing the limits of his competence in respect of territory or persons.

Can. 1318 A legislator is not to threaten latae sententiae penalties, except perhaps for some outstanding and malicious offences which may be either more grave by reason of scandal or such that they cannot be effectively punished by ferendae sententiae penalties. He is not, however, to constitute censures, especially excommunication, except with the greatest moderation, and only for the more grave offences.

As for "abusing" people: I think Traditio can manage for itself. What's with the leftist rhetoric about disagreement being "abuse", anyway? Ever read the Epistle of +Jude, or how about St. Augustine's arguments against the Donatists that you quoted elsewhere just recently?
40 posted on 05/14/2005 8:42:57 PM PDT by gbcdoj (Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life.)
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