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To: murphE; gbcdoj; ninenot; saradippity; NYer; Siobhan; american colleen; sittnick
MurphE: This post of yours is a new low in embarassing yourself. I gather that I was involved in whatever conversations you are imagining. If the linked article by the late Fr. Charles Fiore, OP, is somehow relevant, I cannot imagine what the conversation could have been. I admired the work of Malachi Martin from the time thirty or so years ago when I first became familiar with his works. I have very often recommended The Final Conclave here to others and I have also recommended several of his other books.

As to Fr. Fiore, I attended the CATHOLIC (not SSPX schismatic) funeral of Fr. Fiore at St. Mary's Oratory (Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest)in Rockford, Illinois. The Oratory community had generally high regard for Fr. Fiore which he had certainly earned. He was quite generous to the Oratory in his bequests. He was attended in his last illness by the priest who serves as Rector of the oratory. As to the murdered Fr. Kunz, he too was Catholic and not schismatic. Many of his parishioners drive for hours from Wisconsin to Rockford to the Oratory to attend the Catholic Tridentine Mass.

What on earth does that linked article have to do with my defense of Catholicism from your little schismatic club?

As to your ritual and unfounded attacks on my posts, claiming that I am proven wrong, let's re-word your attack and make it more accurate. I disagree with the fantasies of the SSPX schism and its excommunicated leaders as you do not. On ONE occasion, I was corrected by one of you when I posted that Archbishop Lefebvre had liberalized annulment procedures as a judge of the Rota. It turned out that there were two Archbishop Lefebvres and your hero was not the one responsible for liberalizing annulments. I promptly conceded that the correction appeared truthful and accurate and that dead Marcel was apparently innocent of that. Of course, that does not make Marcel one iota less schismatic or excommunicated but I confess a bias toward exercises of papal authority as a Catholic and reject the notion that an excommunicated archbishop and his illicitly consecrated and excommunicated partners in ecclesiastical crime OR their dupes have anything whatsoever to say in rendering teaching authority in the actual Roman Catholic Church.

In any event, any personal failings of mine in argument are not imputed to the Teaching Magisterium of the Church itself any more than are the failings of your excommunicated leaders. Catholicism is Catholicism. Schism is schism. Excommunication is excommunication. If you want to argue that being wrong as to one matter makes me or anyone likely to be wrong in all matters, feel free but it isn't much of an argument. If that is your best shot, it limps.

What any of us Catholics (not schismatics) are doing here in attacking the fantasies (charitable term) of the schism is defense of the Roman Catholic Faith and the Roman Catholic Church. We are entitled to do that so long as the solidly American, solidly Christian and solidly conservative non-Catholic ownership here tolerates the arguments among Catholics on what is supposed, primarily, to be a conservative political website on which political conservatives of whatever other characteristics are able to conspire together towards the victory of conservatism and defeat of its enemies in the public square.

If you are going to try to undermine the good name of the Roman Catholic Church by claiming that the vipers of SSPX are "Catholic" in spite of the formal declaration of Pope John Paul II in Ecclesia Dei to the contrary, if you are going to continue your attacks on JP II even after his death (after all, he excommunicated your heroes in defiance, just who did he THINK he was?), if you are going to scandalize others by insisting that the schism is not a schism and that the excommunicated are not excommunicated and that somehow the teaching authority (there is none) of the excommunicati somehow trumps the teaching authority of the papacy, then you eserve response. You are getting that response. You don't like the response one little bit for suggesting that you too are subject to papal authority to the extent that you claim Catholicism. Tough. Obey or continue to take a hike. The Church will continue to survive nicely without you SSPX adherents. It is guaranteed on the very Highest Authority.

Finally, that you have, perhaps, satisfied your anti-Catholic prejudices that in disagreeing with me or any other actual Catholic, you must be right because you are you, you have proven NOTHING to be wrong, whatever you or any of your colleagues may please your(him/her)self to imagine.

106 posted on 05/15/2005 9:27:37 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk

Hi sugar plum, if you think I'm going to read all that you're out of your mind. Have a swell night.


107 posted on 05/15/2005 9:36:06 PM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: BlackElk

Sonny Boy,

You don't know what Catholicism is. It's just hilarious reading your puffery.

It's like watching blind tabletennis.

You sir have no concept of Catholicism. You believe in the Magisterium of SuckerChurch.

Marcel is quite dead to the flesh and more than likely interceding for his persecutors.

But Black Elk will be dust in the ground one day as well and he will have to face Christ who just may have "Dead Marcel" decide whether or not his intercession will sway Christ to let your sorry petooty in the door.

Probably not, SuckerChurch is intent on separating itself from the Mystical Body of Christ.

Here's some advice. Learn something. Anything.

It will be so much more interesting than your boring little boy who's jealous drivel.


108 posted on 05/15/2005 9:41:21 PM PDT by Gerard.P (The lips of liberals drip with honey while their hands drip with blood--Bishop Williamson)
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