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***However, Scotus would solve this problem a little later.***

I must say this seems like speculation on his part without Scriptural support.



***He basically said that Mary was saved, except in a different way, from other men.****

And how exactly would he come to know this 1250 odd years after the fact? Is it present in the Scriptures? Was it revealed to him by Heaven?




***The Church has always considered Mary to be the New Testament's version of the Ark of the Covenant ***

You know, the funny thing is that it is Jesus to whom the ark point and whom it symbolizes.

"The acacia wood symbolized the Lord's humanity. The gold overlay denoted His deity. The Law inside the Ark pictured Jesus with the Law of God in His heart, living in perfect obedience to it. The pot of manna spoke of Jesus as the Bread of Life or our life sustainer. Aaron's rod that budded obviously prophesied the resurrection.

The mercy seat was also a symbol that pointed to the Messiah. It was representative of the fact that the work of Jesus on the Cross would cover the Law of God with His mercy. It is an illustration of how the divine throne was transformed from a throne of judgment into a throne of grace by the atoning blood that was sprinkled on it."

Really the whole tabernacle symbolizes Jesus. It's quite an amazing study.


538 posted on 05/12/2005 7:06:24 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus

"And how exactly would he come to know this 1250 odd years after the fact? Is it present in the Scriptures? Was it revealed to him by Heaven?"

His is merely an explanation that makes sense of the analogy of faith. We believe what we pray. The Spirit guides us in worship, and it remains for theologians later to define the exact formulas of our faith. Christology worked the same way. We worshipped Jesus as God before we formulated the dogmatic creed put together at Nicea in 325. That doesn't mean that we just figured out in 325 that Jesus was God. The same with any development of dogma.

"You know, the funny thing is that it is Jesus to whom the ark point and whom it symbolizes."

Actually, the ark ITSELF does not point to Jesus as much as the CONTENTS of the Ark pointing to Jesus. The Mercy Seat points to WHO sat in it! The Ark points to the PRESENCE of God that filled the Mercy Seat. The book of Hebrews tells us what was in the Ark. The Bread of Life, the manna (Jesus in the NT). The Staff of Aaron, the High Priest's Staff (Jesus in the NT). The Ten Commandments, the Law (Jesus in the NT). The "container", being pure, is fitting, considered what it carried. Jesus in the NT was carried by Mary, most pure. In the OT, God instructed how the Ark would be built. In the NT, God did it Himself, forming this "container" out of the greatest visible creation - Mary - a vessel most immaculate. As some have striven to post, we see the Church has regarded Mary as such for quite some time. It is fitting that such a creation contain within her God incarnate for 9 months.

Regards


540 posted on 05/12/2005 7:27:21 PM PDT by jo kus
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Actually, The Church has likened the Most Holy Theotokos to a temple or Tabernacle since very early in the history of The Church. The Kontakion (Fourth Tone) for the Feast of the Presentation of the Theotokos in the Temple reads:

"Today, the most pure temple of the Savior, the precious bridal chamber and Virgin, the sacred treasure of God, enters the house of the Lord, bringing the grace of the Divine Spirit. The Angels of God praise her. She is the heavenly tabernacle."

+Romanos the Melodist (5th century), the great hymnographer of the early Church wrote this for the Akathist, drawing heavily on the earlier St. Ephraim the Syrian:

"“Praising your son, we all praise you O Theotokos, as a living temple;

for dwelling in your womb, the Lord, Who holds the Universe in his

hand, sanctified and glorified you…”

This sort of devotion to Panagia goes back at least to St. Ignatius of Antioch who corresponded with her (and St. John) and called her the Mother of God. This goes back to the very beginning of The Church, PM.


552 posted on 05/12/2005 8:03:55 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: PetroniusMaximus; jo kus
jo:***However, Scotus would solve this problem a little later.***

Petronius: I must say this seems like speculation on his part without Scriptural support.

jo:***He basically said that Mary was saved, except in a different way, from other men.****

Pet:And how exactly would he come to know this 1250 odd years after the fact? Is it present in the Scriptures? Was it revealed to him by Heaven?

***The Church has always considered Mary to be the New Testament's version of the Ark of the Covenant ***

You know, the funny thing is that it is Jesus to whom the ark point and whom it symbolizes.

"The acacia wood symbolized the Lord's humanity. The gold overlay denoted His deity. The Law inside the Ark pictured Jesus with the Law of God in His heart, living in perfect obedience to it. The pot of manna spoke of Jesus as the Bread of Life or our life sustainer. Aaron's rod that budded obviously prophesied the resurrection.

The mercy seat was also a symbol that pointed to the Messiah. It was representative of the fact that the work of Jesus on the Cross would cover the Law of God with His mercy. It is an illustration of how the divine throne was transformed from a throne of judgment into a throne of grace by the atoning blood that was sprinkled on it."

Really the whole tabernacle symbolizes Jesus. It's quite an amazing study.

I don't know whose "study" this is. I do find it funny that you criticise us for a lack of "Scriptural support" and make light of an understanding happening after many years have passed in the same post that you laud an understanding just as much conjectural and just as much (presumably) recent.

SD

654 posted on 05/13/2005 10:07:15 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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