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To: annalex
***If you read the context of Ecclesiasticus, it is all about the state of a justified man after death. ***


I fail to see that in the context of the verse...

15 My son, blemish not thy good deeds, neither use uncomfortable words when thou givest any thing.

16 Shall not the dew asswage the heat? so is a word better than a gift.

17 Lo, is not a word better than a gift? but both are with a gracious man.



***And indeed, when we die and go to heaven, we will all be filled with grace, just like Mary.***

According to Paul you can have that blessedness now, if you will accept it.


"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved."


"to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved."
533 posted on 05/12/2005 6:12:39 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus
I fail to see that in the context of the verse

5 Nothing may be taken away, nor added, neither is it possible to find out the glorious works of God.

6 When a man hath done, then shall he begin: and when he leaveth off, he shall be at a loss.

7 What is man, and what is his grace? and what is his good, or what is his evil?

8 The number of the days of men at the most are a hundred years, as a drop of water of the sea are they esteemed: and as a pebble of the sand, so are a few years compared to eternity.

9 Therefore God is patient in them, and poureth forth his mercy upon them.

10 He hath seen the presumption of their heart that it is wicked, and hath known their end that it is evil.

11 Therefore hath he filled up his mercy in their favour, and hath shewn them the way of justice.

12 The compassion of man is toward his neighbour: but the mercy of God is upon all flesh.

13 He hath mercy, and teacheth, and correcteth, as a shepherd doth his flock.

14 He hath mercy on him that receiveth the discipline of mercy, and that maketh haste in his judgments.

15 My son, in thy good deeds, make no complaint, and when thou givest any thing, add not grief by an evil word.

16 Shall not the dew assuage the heat? so also the good word is better than the gift.

17 Lo, is not a word better than a gift? but both are with a justified man.

18 A fool will upbraid bitterly: and a gift of one ill taught consumeth the eyes.

19 Before judgment prepare thee justice, and learn before thou speak.

The context is judgement of God, and the kecharitomenoi are the justified.

According to Paul you can have that blessedness now, if you will accept it.

Yes!

What is your religious persuasion, if I may ask? You sound decidedly un-Calvinist.

631 posted on 05/13/2005 9:00:10 AM PDT by annalex
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