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To: PetroniusMaximus; Zuriel
Yes, but then He wouldn't turn around and state in His Word that... "There is none righteous, no, not one" ... because He would be misleading us.

Only if you believe that is an absolute statement, without any exception allowed. Doesn't the Bible say Job was righteous? Were all Old Testament figures damned for their unrighteousness? Could this be hyperbole?

Do you understand that this is not about degrading blessed Mary but about protecting and lifting up the unique nature of Christ?

Yes, of course. But you are blurring the lines between human and divine without good cause. Even if what we say of Mary is true, it does not make her divine and it does not imbue her with any power or grace that does not derive from God.

It's a tempest in a teapot.

Meanwhile, Zuriel says the most outrageous things about Christ and His natures and no Protestant says a word. Can you understand that everything we say about Mary is meant to express a truth about Jesus?

SD

487 posted on 05/12/2005 1:43:10 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

***Doesn't the Bible say Job was righteous?***

Was Job indeed righteous?

Job 42:5-7
"I had heard of you by the hearing of the ear,
but now my eye sees you;
therefore I despise myself,
and repent in dust and ashes."





***Were all Old Testament figures damned for their unrighteousness?***

They were surely not saved for their righteousness. Name one major character didn't have to offer sacrifices.

They were saved for their faith in looking forward to Christ (as we in turn look back to him).




***Could this be hyperbole?***

It is an integral paret of Paul's argument in the book of Romans.




***Even if what we say of Mary is true, it does not make her divine and it does not imbue her with any power or grace that does not derive from God.***

It introduces another layer of seperation between the believer and Christ - and that, more than anything, is what give it the smell of the infernal.

Rather than going straight to Christ you are strongly pressured (or encouraged?) to go to Mary and let her got to Christ.

It reminds me of the error Paul addressed in Colossae - the introduction of angel or "aeon" through which the believer must go befor reaching Christ. Paul combats this by instructing believers that they are complete in Christ.




*** It's a tempest in a teapot.***

Perhaps, or is it possible (and I don't mean this to provoke) that Mary has become a substitute for Christ in the minds and hearts of many.





***Can you understand that everything we say about Mary is meant to express a truth about Jesus?***

Then why not express it directly about Jesus?


493 posted on 05/12/2005 2:03:26 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: SoothingDave

"Meanwhile, Zuriel says the most outrageous things about Christ and His natures and no Protestant says a word. Can you understand that everything we say about Mary is meant to express a truth about Jesus?"

Maybe it's because a lot of people believe your dogma/doctrine/Tradition about Mary is outrageous, and for the bulk of 500 posts have tried (some have done a good job, IMHO) to make that clear.

Hello?....Dave?...Goodnight all.


574 posted on 05/12/2005 8:30:24 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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