"How was he not born in sin, or how did he not ever sin? The Father in him. The Divine nature."
Yet, all men are born into sin, so says the Psalms (I think 51, correct me if I am wrong). So was Jesus fully human because of His divine nature prevents Him from taking on the condition of man? According to the Church Fathers, using Scripture, they have said that Jesus received His human nature from His mother. The fact that Mary had no sin (due to God's saving action) AND was a VIRGIN meant that Mary did not pass the sin of Adam to Jesus. See the need for Virgin Mary? It all rests on Jesus - the need to say that Jesus was FULLY man and FULLY God.
You said "...God could not redeem mankind, he is a spirit."
God cannot redeem unless He becomes a man? You are mistaken. God doesn't need a sacrifice to redeem anything. This is a requirement for MAN, not God!
"By holding the belief that Mary is the mother of God, one puts her in equal status with God"
How? The Church has NEVER said that. You are mistaken in your presumptions. Jesus choose to come in the flesh, coming through the lowly virgin. He presumed to humble Himself throughout His life. Mary is the mother of the person we call Jesus Christ. However, the Logos, the second person of the Trinity, is everlasting.
"But there are some that simply believe the Word of God (commonly refered to as the Bible) is clear. Mary is not the mother of God."
Does the Bible say that Jesus was the Son of Mary? Is Mary Jesus' mother? Was and is Jesus God? Scripture is clear on who Mary is and who Jesus is...
Regards
Does the Bible say that Jesus was the Son of Mary? Is Mary Jesus' mother? Was and is Jesus God? Scripture is clear on who Mary is and who Jesus is...
But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
Luke 1:43 (NIV)
What then does that refer to? Elizabeth cannot be merely saying that Jesus is her earthly Lord, because he has not yet been born; therefore, she must be referring to Christ's divinity -- so this is no different from proclaiming that Mary is the Mother of God.
jo kus, sorry, been gone a while and have to turn in pronto, gots to get up real early and roll.
you said: "God cannot redeem unless He becomes a man? You are mistaken. God doesn't need a sacrifice to redeem anything. This is a requirement for MAN, not God!"
I say: Jesus said, "a spirit hath not flesh and bones as you see me have"and "..without the shedding of blood is no remission." Hebrews 9:22. "And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him..." Isaiah 59:16 I think that 'arm' is referring to the Christ. The Almighty had no blood to offer until he made a body, and dwelt in it to keep it pure from sin. And it had it's own mind and soul: "My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death" and "not my will but thy will".
you say: "..the second person of the Trinity, is everlasting."
I say: If Jesus is the only Potentate, King of kings and Lord of lords, why is he going to deliver up the kingdom to God, even the Father? I can answer that, but will wait. I like a little suspense.
You say: "Does the Bible say that Jesus was the Son of Mary? Is Mary Jesus' mother? Was and is Jesus God? Scripture is clear on who Mary is and who Jesus is..."
I say: You, and those that think the way you've been taught, openly admit that there are two natures to Jesus Christ. Then why is it so hard to see that the flesh was begotten, and the Divine nature "laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of" his hands?
If a second person of a trinity made creation, what was the Father doing? I know that answer, too. ;)
Is it because your dogma must maintain it's man-made "Tradition"?