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CHRISTIANITY EXPLODING WORLDWIDE; 3RD WORLD SENDING MISSIONARIES [V ENCOURAGING DOC]
ANDREW STROM VIA MERI BURLINGAME EMAIL LIST ^
| 28 APR 2005
| WORLD NET DAILY
Posted on 05/04/2005 10:53:04 AM PDT by Quix
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SOUNDS LIKE THE FINAL IN-GATHERING HAS BEGUN! YEA GOD!
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posted on
05/04/2005 10:53:13 AM PDT
by
Quix
To: Quix
Hundreds of millions of these Christians are simply not associated with the institutional churches at all.
In what sense, then, are they legitimately "Christian?"
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posted on
05/04/2005 11:01:26 AM PDT
by
mike182d
("Let fly the white flag of war." - Zapp Brannigan)
To: JockoManning; Alamo-Girl; auggy; All
"There are now more missionaries sent from non-Western nations than Western nations," he writes. This trend, says Rutz, has been missed by Westerners because the explosive growth is elsewhere.
Hundreds of millions of these Christians are simply not associated with the institutional churches at all. They meet in homes. They meet underground. They meet in caves. They meet, he says, in secret.
And what is driving this movement?
Miracles,
he says. "Megashift" attempts to document myriad healings and other powerful answers to the sincere prayers of this new category of believer, including, believe it or not,
hundreds of dramatic cases
of
resurrections
NOT
near-death
experiences,
but
real
resurrections
of actual corpses.
Have expected and waited long for this news. I've known of some of the resurrections and glimers of this but hadn't realized it had reached this level of intensity and coverage, breadth, yet.
YEA GOD!
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posted on
05/04/2005 11:05:53 AM PDT
by
Quix
(--AVOID MERE FORM OF GODLINESS; SEEK HIS FACE. WALK IN HIS SPIRIT.)
To: mike182d
In what sense, then, are they legitimately "Christian?"It's impossible to say.
Therefore, this guy's n umbers are highly suspect.
I want to be an optimist, but what credibility does this guy really have?
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posted on
05/04/2005 11:06:51 AM PDT
by
wideawake
(God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
To: mike182d
In what sense, then, are they legitimately "Christian?"In the same sense that the original Church was not an institution but was a body of believers who met in homes, in small groups, in secret....
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posted on
05/04/2005 11:08:43 AM PDT
by
freebilly
(Go Santa Cruz Baseball!)
To: mike182d
They read their Bibles or scraps of Bibles and
DO WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS.
--including assembling together in small groups to study, worship, pray, teach.
I'm shocked anyone would question that God would not honor His word with such earnest, often desperate folks taking God's Word at face value and applying it.
And, as the blind man said to the skeptics . . .
I don't know about all that--I just know that I was blind but now I see.
If God's Spirit is honoring these Christian Believer's walk WITH HIM with miracles--authentic Holy Spirit birthed miracles . . .
I wonder what God thinks of your throwing rocks at their Christianity.
Actually, that's not true. I don't wonder what God thinks about it.
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posted on
05/04/2005 11:08:54 AM PDT
by
Quix
(--AVOID MERE FORM OF GODLINESS; SEEK HIS FACE. WALK IN HIS SPIRIT.)
To: wideawake
Perhaps you would be wiser to check the book out before throwing rocks.
I realize it's not the custom around here to check facts first.
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posted on
05/04/2005 11:11:38 AM PDT
by
Quix
(--AVOID MERE FORM OF GODLINESS; SEEK HIS FACE. WALK IN HIS SPIRIT.)
To: freebilly
Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo wonderful to read someone hereon who can recognize the enlivening work of God's Spirit.
Thanks.
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posted on
05/04/2005 11:13:30 AM PDT
by
Quix
(--AVOID MERE FORM OF GODLINESS; SEEK HIS FACE. WALK IN HIS SPIRIT.)
To: Quix
I wonder what God thinks of your throwing rocks at their Christianity.
Who's throwing rocks? You exemplified my point by saying they're Chrisitians because they read their Bibles and do what it says. The Gospels were not even written yet, but Paul was out preaching. Was he not a Christian because he didn't have Bible (which would later contain his very letters)?
The Gnostics believed in Jesus Christ, but they are not "Christians." Why?
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posted on
05/04/2005 11:15:51 AM PDT
by
mike182d
("Let fly the white flag of war." - Zapp Brannigan)
To: mike182d
I hope you haven't fallen for the
misperception
that
CHURCHIANITY = CHRISTIANITY
or
that
RELIGION = SPIRITUALITY
or
that
RELIGION = RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD
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posted on
05/04/2005 11:16:18 AM PDT
by
Quix
(--AVOID MERE FORM OF GODLINESS; SEEK HIS FACE. WALK IN HIS SPIRIT.)
To: freebilly
In the same sense that the original Church was not an institution but was a body of believers
Really? So when Paul speaks of the Three Pillars of the church (Peter, James, and John), he isn't referring to any persons in authority of a Christian institution?
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posted on
05/04/2005 11:17:27 AM PDT
by
mike182d
("Let fly the white flag of war." - Zapp Brannigan)
To: Quix
I hope you haven't fallen for the:
Bible = Christianity
Christianity predates the Bible.
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posted on
05/04/2005 11:18:14 AM PDT
by
mike182d
("Let fly the white flag of war." - Zapp Brannigan)
To: Quix
I realize it's not the custom around here to check facts first.Mr. Rutz has a history of playing fast and loose with the facts.
In his book "Open Church" he claimed that historically the Christian celebration of the Eucharist was based on the feeding of the 5,000 and not on the Last Supper.
When someone is capable of telling whoppers like that, I become skeptical.
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posted on
05/04/2005 11:18:15 AM PDT
by
wideawake
(God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
To: mike182d
More precisely, it predates the New Testament.
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posted on
05/04/2005 11:18:58 AM PDT
by
wideawake
(God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
To: mike182d
Glad to read it.
Sorry I misperceived your post.
Glad you support their Christianity, if that understanding is correct.
Gnostics did not believe Christ came in the flesh etc.
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posted on
05/04/2005 11:19:31 AM PDT
by
Quix
(--AVOID MERE FORM OF GODLINESS; SEEK HIS FACE. WALK IN HIS SPIRIT.)
To: wideawake
More precisely, it predates the New Testament.
But of course. I am not familiar with Jews referring to the Hebrew Scriptures as "the Bible." The term is Christian and includes the New Testament, by definition.
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posted on
05/04/2005 11:20:25 AM PDT
by
mike182d
("Let fly the white flag of war." - Zapp Brannigan)
To: mike182d
No. I'm not into Bibliolatry.
The Living Word Christ Jesus is my focus.
I am enormously thankful for His written Word, however.
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posted on
05/04/2005 11:21:17 AM PDT
by
Quix
(--AVOID MERE FORM OF GODLINESS; SEEK HIS FACE. WALK IN HIS SPIRIT.)
To: wideawake
Would like to see his historical claims for that. Sounds far fetched to me.
You may know him better than I.
But I've seen enough overseas to believe the bulk of what he says. The Chinese church is very much as he describes it.
Including with the resurrections.
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posted on
05/04/2005 11:23:10 AM PDT
by
Quix
(--AVOID MERE FORM OF GODLINESS; SEEK HIS FACE. WALK IN HIS SPIRIT.)
To: Quix
Sorry I misperceived your post.
No apology necessary. No harm done.
Gnostics did not believe Christ came in the flesh etc.
As Christianity began to flourish, there were many heresies that sprang up and they were called out as such not by individual believers but by an institution that had the authority to deem them "heresies." If no such authority existed, there would be no reason to prefer the Gospel of Mark over the Gospel of Thomas.
The early Christians were very aware of an insitution and inclusion was necessary to be considered a legit, orthodox Christian.
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posted on
05/04/2005 11:23:24 AM PDT
by
mike182d
("Let fly the white flag of war." - Zapp Brannigan)
To: mike182d
Really? So when Paul speaks of the Three Pillars of the church (Peter, James, and John), he isn't referring to any persons in authority of a Christian institution?What passage are you referring to?
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posted on
05/04/2005 11:24:02 AM PDT
by
Bosco
(Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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