Rick Warren Teams Up With New Age Guru Ken Blanchard!

http://lighthousetrailsresearch.com/PressReleasekenblanchard.htm ^ | Aril19,2005 | Lighthouse Trails Research

[pro610]

Rick warren is gearing up to train a billion people,unbeknownst to many he has also been teamed up with New Age and contemplative promoter,Ken Blanchard,for some time now. According to a new biography on Rick Warren,A Life With A Purpose wrtten by George Mair,Rick Warren has solicited the services of Ken Blanchard to aid him to train leaders:"Rick taps the best and the most famous to help train church leaders to be like Jesus. he has hired Ken Blanchard...to come to saddleback to help train people how to be effective leaders."p.193

In light of knowing who Ken Blanchard is,this is shocking and devatating news for the Church!

There is countless evidence to show that Ken Blanchard sits on the New age/mystical/contemplative bandwagon.Blanchard believes in the benefits and use of mantra meditation,yoga and has no trouble borrowing from Buddism... http://lighthousetrailsresearch.com/Pressreleasekenblanchard.htm

[Revelation 911]

You are on very dangerous ground by accusing someone in the Holy Spirit of being a liar.

no, rather he's outed you for being deceptive

Winning your argument is all that matters to you P-Marlowe

no, youve bashed warren incessantly without regard to your own house which is crooked enough

You are the classic example of mystical cult following.

and now the ad homs start as you try to destabilize his comments

Youve blown your credibility - go away

[Revelation 911]

Jesus warned us against false prophets

cut the warren nonsense now ! ....and dont you dare post another warren hate thread again - youre in no position to judge

[pro610]

Your lack of Wisdom is astonishing.
I feel your venom in your words.

Go and educate yourself on most of my posts concerning PDL?PDC , you will find that what is being questioned are the "methods", and those methods are "NEW AGE"
I,v prayed and tried very hard to only single out the methods and connections of people behind them.

BTW,Don,t expect me to go away.

Someone like you should count your blessings that you didn,t personally know me before I turned my life completely over to Christ.
I was one big tough musclebound SOB

[P-Marlowe]

Go and educate yourself on most of my posts concerning PDL?PDC , you will find that what is being questioned are the "methods", and those methods are "NEW AGE"

Clean your own house. The following is from the same web site where you got your anti-Warren baloney:

Catholicism and the New Age

Evangelizing Roman Catholics
Audio with Cecil Andrews of Take Heed
Northern Ireland

New Age Catholicism
by former Catholic nun Mary Ann Collins

 The Mystic Plague
   by Richard Bennett
   Former Catholic priest
   speaks about mysticism

---

Ex-Catholics
Tell Their Stories

Catholic Priests -
Why Do Some Feel It Necessary To Give Up
Their Religion To Follow Christ
by former priest Richard Bennet

A Testimony to
God's Grace
by Mary Ann Collins
former Catholic Nun

Far From Rome,
Near To God
Edited by former priest Richard Bennett
[the testimonies of 50 converted priests]

Escaped Catholics
Saved By Grace

 

ANOTHER JESUS?

By Roger Oakland
The Eucharist Christ and the New Evangeliization

But I dare say that if any protetstant posted any of those articles on free republic they would be accused of being a Catholic Basher and would likely be suspended faster than you can say NOAA. (And you are too much of a newbie to know the significance of that word.)

So clean your own house before you come on here and tell us our house is dirty.

[lupie]

Some of us are taking pro610 to task for hitting on protestant churches while not revealing that he isn't one of us. And for complaining about methods in protestant church that have parallels in catholicism about which he has not complained.

I have read through the thread and I know what some are you are doing, but your comment to him gave the impression that if one is born again they can't be in the Catholic church. I am sorry if you think I was off target. Too many Protestants want to say that there are not true believers in the Catholic church and your post could easily be interepreted that way - more so than not. I was just trying to point that out. btw - I am not a Catholic, but a strong evangelical fundamentalist.

[Revelation 911]

I was one big tough musclebound SOB

are you threatening me

[pro610]

You are right to point out New Age practices in the Catholic Church.
However you need to take it further because it,s rampant in all denominations today.
The Vatican has firmly come out against New Age and produced this document in 2003 about the history and the dangers of New Age.
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/interelg/documents/rc_pc_interelg_doc_20030203_new-age_en.html
This is the most complete in depth document on New Age probably ever produced.

I,m very consistent on exposing New Age and will stand with you side by side to warn against certain Catholic Churches involved.
I,v come out against these Catholic Churches on other threads.

BTW, here is a little tidbit of information about me.
My favorite preacher is the late Dr Martyn Lloyd Jones,he was a Calvinist.
This man holds a special place in my heart and was truly Holy Spirit driven ,he was not purpose driven.

His written and audio sermons are available on the net
http://www.mlj.org.uk/

It has been documented that people sat in silence in the pews for up to 45 minutes after some of his sermons.

[pro610]

No,I was just pointing out that this angry self-centered part of me does not exist anymore.

[P-Marlowe]

When you commit to a protestant cofession or you join a Protestant Church, then you can feel free to come on here and tell the Protestants how they should worship. In the meantime you have enough skeletons in your Catholic Closet and according to the articles I linked, the problem is much worse in Catholic Churches than it is in Protestant Churches. Indeed, in Catholic Churches it goes all the way to the Pope. In protestantism we don't have a Pope. If we think our Church has fallen into error, we have, as you Catholics are fond of pointing out, over 20,000 choices of different denominations to choose from.

Go fix the Catholic Church or join a Protestant church. In the meantime let the Protestants decide how or where they will worship.

My favorite preacher is the late Dr Martyn Lloyd Jones,he was a Calvinist.

Then join a Calvinist Church and become a Calvinist. Profess your fielty to the Westminster Confession. JOIN A CHURCH. I'm sure you will be welcome with open arms.

In the meantime I don't think you have any credibility on the Rick Warren issue since you are obviously a heretic in Catholic circles (just ask JohnRoss) and you are not a Protestant. You have no dog in this hunt. Yet you fire off volleys against Rick Warren and those who enjoy his books like you are on a Blitzkrieg offensive.

After you choose a religion, then come back and feel free to suggest improvments to whichever religion you are committed to preserving. In the meantime I'd suggest you spend a little more time deciding what they heck you are before you tell others what they ought to believe and how they ought to worship.

[pro610]

So according to you If your a Protestant you cannot have respect for a Catholic and if your a Catholic you cannot have respect for a Protestant.
According to you we all must stay within our Christian circles and we are not allowed to warn another Christian of the dangers of something like "New Age".

Do you honestly believe that this is what Jesus wants from us?

I pray that people don,t follow your viewpoint.

BTW, I know who I am.
I am an unworthy sinner who is humbled by Jesus love for me that he died on the cross to save me.

[pro610]

Since P-Marlowe decided to drag your name into this.my heart is open to your opinions.

P- Marlowe,
Do even realize how divisive you are?

All of this just because you have a difference of opinion on PDL/PDC.

You are willing to divide Christian brother against brother.

[xzins]

I did not even use the words "born again" or even discuss that subject with him at all. The part in italics is a quote from his post on which I'm commenting.

My comment had nothing at all to do with being born again.

Therefore, I don't know where you're coming from, so you're going to have to explain it to me. Thanks ahead of time.

[xzins]

Also, see #224

[pro610]

Matthew 19:13-15
Jesus Blesses the Children

At one point,children were brought to him so that he could place his hands on them in prayer.
The disciple's began to scold them,but Jesus said,
"Do not hinder them ,The kingdom of God belongs to such as these."
And He placed his hands on their heads before he left the place

[lupie]

I will repeat: I have read through the thread and I know what some are you are doing, but your comment to him gave the impression that if one is born again they can't be in the Catholic church. I am sorry if you think I was off target.

I reread your comment and although I can now see what I think you meant, it is still a viable impression that you come across the way that I first read it - that is, that you were in a roundabout way comparing being born again vs being Catholic. That one was either one, or the other - you can't be both.

Whether or not you meant to doesn't change the fact that that is one way to understand your post. And if you can't understand that it could be taken a different way than you said it, I don't know how to explain it differently. And I am not sure it is worth the time to try. But once again, I will apologize if my pointing that out has caused you to react in any way that does not glorify the Lord. Not that I think you did, but if you did, that wasn't my intent, nor is it now.

And I really have no desire to delve into what you are P-Marlow are trying to do to discredit pro610 because I do not agree with the tactic. And I certainly am not going to engage with either of you on it or anything on this thread. Been there, done that. I just don't see any Godly reason why.

[xzins]

Please at least show me a post on this thread in which I discuss being born again. To my knowledge I have not discussed it with pro610...or with any catholic for that matter.

[truth_seeker]

"Christians don,t borrow from eastern mysticism."

Why not?

Why wouldn't a Christian "borrow" other useful practices, methods, etc.?

I recall reading that many Christian practices, had roots in previous religious symbology.

So if Christianity borrowed, why could not a Christian?

[lupie]

Please at least show me a post on this thread in which I discuss being born again. To my knowledge I have not discussed it with pro610...or with any catholic for that matter.

The one that started this whole conversation between us - your post 204. It was how you quoted him. It can be taken as I first took it. But this just is not worth the time to continue.

[xzins]

I didn't question his being born again. I asked him what diocese he was part of.

I would question his being born again because he's a Catholic. I don't believe that Catholics cannot be born again, so I would never allude to such a thing in the first place.