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To: rose
I would like to see the return of the Latin Mass in it's complete form and teaching, my soul craves this and I am a convert, not a cradle catholic.

Converts often go through this kind of phase. They get caught up in a longing for Gregorian chant, stained glass, lots of incense, Latin, particular styles of sacred art, and so on. If a convert is lucky, this phase passes and he/she returns back to the daily job of being a Christian. The Catholic Faith is actually quite simple. Either you try to live a life according to Christ's teachings, avail yourself of the sacraments, and read the Scriptures daily, or you do not, and get caught up in delusions, be they liturgical nitpicking or apparition-chasing or whatnot. But people find any number of creative ways to avoid doing what they should be doing. So-called traditionalists, for example, seem to spend most of their time harrassing others about paranoid conspiracies, liturgy, postures, how to receive communion, how to sing, how to dress, what kind of art is permissible, and so on ad nauseam. I recall in a thread about B16's inauguration, some dimbulb of a traditionalist had nothing better to do than point out how ugly the Pope's crucifix is. Of course nothing meets their satisfaction, so they incessantly go on about everything that doesn't measure up to their standards. It's much easier to behave this way than to follow Christ with a measure of humility, because florid displays of nitpicking and whining appeal to people whose spirituality is based on false pride.

92 posted on 05/02/2005 10:23:57 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
Converts often go through this kind of phase. They get caught up in a longing for Gregorian chant, stained glass, lots of incense, Latin, particular styles of sacred art, and so on. If a convert is lucky, this phase passes and he/she returns back to the daily job of being a Christian.

That is a valid point. One too often forgotten.

On the other hand, the liturgy does matter. The Eucharist is at the center of the Catholic Christian life. As an FSSP priest I know likes to note, "what happens in here determines what goes on out there." Lex credendi, lex orandi. And when the liturgy is a trainwreck, it is no surprise that the rest of the Church follows suit. Low vocations, bad theology, ecclesial misbehavior, falling mass attedance, disbelief in Church teaching including the Real Presence itself.

I am not saying that a healthy Chuch requires the 1962 missal, but it does require liturgy that's a lot more sound in practice (and ina few respects, perhaps theory as well) than what we have now.

99 posted on 05/03/2005 1:27:14 AM PDT by The Iguana
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

looks whos whining and nitpicking.


106 posted on 05/03/2005 5:54:22 AM PDT by CouncilofTrent (Quo Primum...)
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