Things that are "completely beyond wit" are matters of faith. If you have faith that the Holy Spirit guides the Magisterium in its implementation of the faith - ABOVE ALL - the holy sacrifice of the Mass - then you would not doubt the power of the Holy Spirit to guide Vatican II by His intent.
"What you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven".
The Holy See cannot act on matters of morals and faith outside the dictates of heaven. Every pope, from Peter ("You are Peter") on down is willed by God to be the vicar of Christ. Whether said pope acts individually in a non-Christian or villainous manner (regarding that which is not of morals and/or faith) you and I are still commanded to obedience and it is still the will of the Holy Spirit that said pope was elected in the first place.
Criticizing Vatican II because it was implemented improperly misses the point entirely. The Pope has not condemned the novus ordo, nor Vatican II, and he NEVER will. The liturgical LIBERTIES taken IN THE NAME OF VATICAN II are regrettable because they violate the intent of the Holy Spirit in Vatican II.
It is you and your Pollyanna, "everything's rosy in the garden" ilk who are the dissenters and disobedient ones, because it is you who disagree with the Pope who sees the Church infected with filth, relativism, and banal fabricated liturgy!
You couldn't be more off-base. You assign the Pope's condemnation of Vatican II and the novus ordo where he has NOT condemned it. Instead, you take the liberty of using his criticism of the liturgical ABUSES that came from the IMPRPOPER IMPLEMENTATION (read: user error) of Vatican II as a condemnation of Vatican II and the novus ordo themselves.
No matter how you cut it, your lack of faith is in the Magisterium, and in turn, the Holy Spirit.
Excuse me, but when did he ever display "a lack of faith?" That is awfully presumptuous of you.
Given their own statements, by your logic you must accuse Fr. Echert, Pope Paul VI, and Pope Benedict XVI of the same thing.
Here's one of your problems. The Magisterium is the "teaching authority" in the Church. Not the teaching authorities themselves as men. The Curia does not equal the Magisterium. The Curia invokes the Magisterium. The Magisterium is perennial. The Curia is temporal and changing. Every statement out of the mouth or pen of the Pope is not the voice of the Magisterium. But when the Magisterium speaks, it speaks through the voice or pen of the Pope and those in communion with him. But only when he himself is in communion with the Magisterium of the Church.
"If you have faith that the Holy Spirit guides the Magisterium in its implementation of the faith - ABOVE ALL - the holy sacrifice of the Mass - then you would not doubt the power of the Holy Spirit to guide Vatican II by His intent....
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No matter how you cut it, your lack of faith is in the Magisterium, and in turn, the Holy Spirit."
Really??? Then I guess you would accuse the author of this passage of a lack of faith in the Magisterium and the Holy Spirit as well:
"Christ summons the Church on her pilgrim way, to that continual reformation of which she always has need in so far as she is an institution of men here on earth therefore if the influence of events or the times has led to DEFICIENCIES, in conduct, and Church discipline or EVEN IN FORMULATION OF DOCTRINE, these should be appropriately rectified at the proper moment."
Care to take a guess at the authorship?
(Admittedly its not a Pope who drew it up)