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To: murphE
in a word, [there are] too many needy ones

Was Martin tending to "the needy ones" when he was hanging out with rich socialites in New York City?

Those who ardently defend Martin are the people I'd fully expect to defend him. No surprise at all.

42 posted on 05/01/2005 2:05:25 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: sinkspur
Well it is no surprise you would side with a pro-homosexual priesthood priest yet make personal attacks questioning the sexual orientation of someone sitting on the sidelines amused at your weak position. Your hypocrisy is a festering wound. You better take some penicillin before it spreads.

As to the authors Peck and Wood, I have no opinion. Fr Martin I know but have yet to form a firm opinion. But if you don't like him that is a plus. You sure don't like loosing an argument do you? You got nailed today and you know it.
45 posted on 05/01/2005 2:14:24 PM PDT by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: sinkspur
Was Martin tending to "the needy ones" when he was hanging out with rich socialites in New York City?

...and again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.

Matthew 19:23-29

Sounds like Fr. Martin was definitely tending to the needy ones

47 posted on 05/01/2005 2:22:56 PM PDT by Antioch (Benedict XVI: "I think the essential point is a weakness of faith.")
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To: sinkspur
Was Martin tending to "the needy ones" when he was hanging out with rich socialites in New York City?

Again, I'll let Fr. Martin's own words answer you again:

Besides all that, all these years have taught me a few central lessons; you have to have undergone it all to be able to appreciate the principal lesson. Which is: abusers and calumniators are not out to get the truth, to build up, to edify. Their bent is to destroy, to liquidate. Hence, no matter what information you give them, they will not desist; they will use it to further their distrustful ambition. Hence, I found that there was no point in even trying to communicate with them; anything they learned became merely grist for their grindstones of hate. [snip]
I have always let such people know that I personally have no difficulty in waiting for the final showdown in the presence of Our Lord and Savior, Jesus, as the Just Judge of the living and the dead.

50 posted on 05/01/2005 3:01:14 PM PDT by murphE (The crown of victory is promised only to those who engage in the struggle. St. Augustine)
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To: sinkspur

Was Martin tending to "the needy ones" when he was hanging out with rich socialites in New York City?

Yes as a matter of fact he was. After his death Bernard Janzen related stories of there interviews over more than a decade. He mentioned that Fr. Martin was late on one occassion because he had been out buying groceries for a family in the Bronx that was destitute.

After his death, his folders of Mass intentions were given to Fr. Paul Wickens and Fr. Paul Trinchard. They said there were "thousands of names on them....newspaper clippings of murder victims, children that had died and handwrittend notes and requests."

Those who ardently defend Martin are the people I'd fully expect to defend him. No surprise at all.

You mean Catholics obviously. The people who slander him are the usual suspects as well.

Just curious:

(If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)

Don't believe in Jesus or Mary?

59 posted on 05/01/2005 4:34:36 PM PDT by Gerard.P (The lips of liberals drip with honey while their hands drip with blood--Bishop Williamson)
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