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Posted on 04/27/2005 6:07:01 PM PDT by WingedPaladin

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To: TomSmedley; connectthedots

Keep it civil and courteous, or you're out of here.


21 posted on 04/27/2005 7:14:09 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: TomSmedley

There may be an issue of recovered memory syndrome regardly Beck's sexual abuse by her father. Personally, I have serious doubts about 'recovered memories'. There is plenty of other evidence against Mormonism without going there.


22 posted on 04/27/2005 7:16:33 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: Religion Moderator

I will certainly keep my responses and questions civil and courteous. Please let me know if you think I am treading on thin ice.


23 posted on 04/27/2005 7:19:11 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: connectthedots
Please let me know if you think I am treading on thin ice.

What in the world do you think I just did?

24 posted on 04/27/2005 7:22:31 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

I thought it was a simple reminder; sort of like preventative officiating.


25 posted on 04/27/2005 7:23:53 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: TomSmedley
Not yet, is it good? Martha Beck spoke of how the "memory hole" at Brigham Young University airbrushes every reference to certain people, such as Sonja Johnson, from their research library.

The catalog for BYU's Harold B. Lee Library is easily accessible on line. You can check for yourself that the library lists seven publications by Sonia Johnson, including her book From Housewife to Heretic.

In other words, Martha Beck just made it up. She apparently makes up a lot of things, secure in the knowledge that there are many persons who will eagerly believe any slander against the "Mormons."

26 posted on 04/27/2005 7:27:03 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: WingedPaladin

Welcome to FR. It is best not to post vanities right away. Take some time to get to know the posters here before beginning to preach to them. I have been a member for awhile and most of these religion posters are sincere, dedicated religious people who take offense to having a newcomer declare his faith to be the sole truth.

Most of the time Mormons are treated respectfully here if they treat others respectfully. I believe there is a little matter of the Eleventh Article of Faith to consider here. I advise you to lurk and learn.


27 posted on 04/27/2005 7:33:23 PM PDT by caseinpoint (IMHO)
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To: Logophile
In other words, Martha Beck just made it up. She apparently makes up a lot of things, secure in the knowledge that there are many persons who will eagerly believe any slander against the "Mormons."

As a non-Mormon, I don't believe her story about being raped by her father. I simply do not believe in 'recovered memories'. I don't know how a person could possibly ever suppress being raped. I think a young girl would remember it every day of her life.

28 posted on 04/27/2005 7:37:05 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: connectthedots
As a non-Mormon, I don't believe her story about being raped by her father. I simply do not believe in 'recovered memories'. I don't know how a person could possibly ever suppress being raped. I think a young girl would remember it every day of her life.

Connectthedots—is it really you? It has been a long time since I have seen a post from you around here. Where have you been?

You are wise to doubt so-called "recovered memories." The American Medical Association and the American Psychiatric Association, among other organizations, have cautioned that recovered memories are not reliable.

29 posted on 04/27/2005 7:45:59 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: WingedPaladin

I have a question: Is it true that Mormons believe they can become a God of their own planet if they reach a certain level in their spiritual learning?


30 posted on 04/27/2005 7:46:38 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Prayers for healing and relief from pain for Cowboy...........)
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To: Logophile

Tis I; and how has my favorite Mormon been? I don't post as much as I used to. Been quite busy with the legal stuff and started dancing a few years ago. Another Mormon friend suggested I go to some of the local Mormon singles dances. I said it wouldn't be a good idea for three reasons. Not interested in dating women who have younger children; our religions would be incompatible; and, she wouldn't be a Mormon for long. ;-)


31 posted on 04/27/2005 7:50:52 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: everyone
Thank you for all of your warm welcomes! I just joined FR today.

To answer your question connect, this is my answer and not the 'official' view of the church since I am not a leader who speaks officially for the church. If you would like an official answer, direct your question to the leaders of the church. Here is a talk given by former President Spencer W. Kimball about Our Great Potential

I believe that God created man. (Genesis 1:26-27) I believe that men and women having been baptized and after having receiving all the saving ordinances, including that of eternal marriage and having remained faithful and true to God and His commandments through to the end of their lives will reach their full potential being crowned as gods in the eternities, enabled to create their own worlds and spirit children. (View Doctrine & Covenants 132:19.) We believe Adam and Eve are now gods, and Abraham also. This suggests that there are generations of creators. (View scriptures that testifies on the eternal nature of families.)

I do not know who created our Heavenly Father, whom we worship as God, as He has not revealed that to us according to my knowledge. I do not believe God the Father was a man on this Earth as He was already an immortal resurrected being before the Earth was created and could not die. Jehovah, or God the Son, was a spirit at the time of creation, became a man on this Earth, died, and resurrected to become an immortal being Himself. This is whom we know as Jesus Christ.

As for the Kolob question see Abraham 3:3

As for the marriage question, yes, you could not go into the temple to view the wedding ceremony there. It is very sacred, short, simple, and eternal. Many Mormons hold wedding receptions for everyone so those not of our faith can enjoy in the wedding celebration.

In regard to Tom's comments, there are friends and there are enemies. If you really want to learn about something or someone, who would you go to, their friends or their enemies? There is truth and there are lies. I personally would trust friends more. Mormons are not perfect people. They commit sins just like people of other religions do. It is a mistake to judge the doctrines and principles of a church by the mistakes of its members.

Thank you caseinpoint for your input. I do respect and view all religions as sources of truth. I hope that others would respect my views as well, as focused as they may be. I have met many nice people from many different religions and love the friends that I have who are not of my faith.

32 posted on 04/27/2005 7:51:24 PM PDT by WingedPaladin
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To: caseinpoint; WingedPaladin
Most of the time Mormons are treated respectfully here if they treat others respectfully. I believe there is a little matter of the Eleventh Article of Faith to consider here. I advise you to lurk and learn.

Not a altogether bad piece of advice there, caseinpoint. And WingedPaladin, welcome to FreeRepublic. I hope we natives aren't too rough on you.

33 posted on 04/27/2005 7:58:28 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Psalm 73)
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To: Alex Murphy

Hehe, thanks Alex. :)


34 posted on 04/27/2005 8:01:39 PM PDT by WingedPaladin
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To: WingedPaladin
I do not know who created our Heavenly Father, whom we worship as God, as He has not revealed that to us according to my knowledge.

That's the answer I get every time I ask that question. It is logically impossible, so why do you believe that God was once a man?

35 posted on 04/27/2005 8:03:27 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: connectthedots
Tis I; and how has my favorite Mormon been? I don't post as much as I used to. Been quite busy with the legal stuff and started dancing a few years ago. Another Mormon friend suggested I go to some of the local Mormon singles dances. I said it wouldn't be a good idea for three reasons. Not interested in dating women who have younger children; our religions would be incompatible; and, she wouldn't be a Mormon for long. ;-)

I know what you mean about being busy. I stayed away from FreeRepublic for an entire year and got a lot of work done. I have been posting frequently this week only because I have been home recuperating from an illness.

36 posted on 04/27/2005 8:05:20 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: TomSmedley

Yes that book is great. I also read her book " Expecting Adam" about her pregnancy with and the birth of her Down Syndrome son. It too is excellent.


37 posted on 04/27/2005 8:07:34 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: WingedPaladin

Just finished O.S. Card's latest novel. I am chagrinned every time that the only big name who honors Jesus Christ in this genre is LDS. My two adult kids also love him, have heard him speak, and have authographed copies of his books.


38 posted on 04/27/2005 8:07:46 PM PDT by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: kdot

The answer is "NO." I was raised Catholic and was married in a Mormon church. All of my Catholic relatives/friends who were invited attended my wedding service.


39 posted on 04/27/2005 8:13:52 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: WingedPaladin

We live an hour or so away from Nauvoo. When they built the new temple a few years ago, there was an open house. I didn't go. Then after that, the traditional "members only" was in effect. Is there something going on inside that the general public is not to see? You have to admit that just stirs the mind, causing suspicion.

But I shall stay with the 66 books of the Bible (there's harsh warnings in Deuteronomy and Revelation concerning adding to and taking away from the word of God). And thankfully, I'm anchored by the supernatural, born again experience that Jesus and his apostles commanded. You can have it, too (see tagline).

IMHO, Mr. Smith was just another in a long list "final prophets" of God.

Every time I'm reminded of one of these "latest word/prophet from God" religions, I think of King David's son Absalom. He was handsome, charismatic, and convinced he was God's choice to lead the God's people. To make his assumption of power ever so clear to the people in Jerusalem, he "...went in unto his father's concubines in the sight of all Israel". 2 Samuel 16:22. But as we know, Absalom's reign was not ordained of God, and his effort overthrown (think judgement day/white throne. That's when all shall know that Jesus remains the final prophet, the Alpha and Omega).


40 posted on 04/27/2005 8:16:12 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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