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To: jo kus
Hmm. Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide. Where exactly can I find those in the Bible? Are these doctrines of man?

And you have seen me mention neither. My association with these doctrines is assumed on your part. I know it's popular to label one's beliefs according to the terminology of man, but I merely believe the Bible to be the word of God and look to it for my information.

2 Timothy 3:16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17  That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

As to my comment concerning your using extra-biblical references for your understanding of the Trinity, you proved as much when you cited uninspired writers. That was merely my point as to our disagreement on this topic is that I am using scripture and you are adding other references to your understanding.

22 posted on 04/28/2005 5:57:42 AM PDT by asformeandformyhouse (Former Embryo - Former Fetus - Recovering Sinner)
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To: asformeandformyhouse

I said "...Hmm. Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide. Where exactly can I find those in the Bible? Are these doctrines of man?"

You replied "...And you have seen me mention neither. My association with these doctrines is assumed on your part"

I would like to humbly disagree with your reply. Here is what you wrote earlier...

"I don't know where you're getting your information from but it's definately not the Bible"

This implies that the Bible is the sole source of knowledge about God. And quoting 2 Timothy 3:16 proves your doctrine. I would first like to say this verse says nothing about Sola Scriptura, The Bible Alone. It is profitable, not all-inclusive.

I would disagree with you that the Bible contains the only truth that we can know. Nowhere does the Bible make this claim. Time and again, the Bible does tell us to hold onto the Traditions passed down - some orally, some written. Where does the Bible tell us to ignore this rule and adhere only to written Traditions? This is where Sola Scriptura fails.

"As to my comment concerning your using extra-biblical references for your understanding of the Trinity, you proved as much when you cited uninspired writers"

You are correct, these writers are uninspired. However, these Fathers made their formulations based on Scripture and the Apostolic Tradition (defined as "how do I interpret Scripture correctly"). Using these, the Councils of Nicea infallibly defined the very limited knowledge that we have about Jesus and His relationship to the Father. The Holy Spirit guarantees this as He did at the Council of Jerusalem noted in Acts 15 "it seemed good to us AND the Holy Spirit". Christ promised the Spirit would be guiding us always, so there is no reason to presume that only the Council of Jerusalem is infallible. I believe your logic on why the Church Councils are unacceptable is false.

Brother in Christ


23 posted on 04/28/2005 8:12:40 AM PDT by jo kus
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