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To: NWU Army ROTC

"Would you be able to give me the Vatican II documents and citations which go to the fact that theology did not change with the Council."

Do you mean "theology did not change" or do you mean "doctrine did not change"?

There are changes in the Council documents when compared with traditional Catholic teaching, and there are errors and ambiguities in the documents which give the unwary the impression that doctrine has changed. The authority of such changes is very debatable, however, as the Council does not make it plain or obvious that it is actually trying to set forth any new teaching as being definitive.

However, in restating the previous Magisterium, the Council does give the basis for the reason why doctrine cannot change, in that revelation is closed and no bishop, council or Pope has any authority to alter that:

Lumen Gentium 25:

"But when either the Roman Pontiff or the Body of Bishops together with him defines a judgment, they pronounce it in accordance with Revelation itself, which all are obliged to abide by and be in conformity with, that is, the Revelation which as written or orally handed down is transmitted in its entirety through the legitimate succession of bishops and especially in care of the Roman Pontiff himself, and which under the guiding light of the Spirit of truth is religiously preserved and faithfully expounded in the Church.(45*) The Roman Pontiff and the bishops, in view of their office and the importance of the matter, by fitting means diligently strive to inquire properly into that revelation and to give apt expression to its contents;(46*) but a new public revelation they do not accept as pertaining to the divine deposit of faith.(47*)"


This last footnote here (47) refers to the 4th session of Vatican I which took place on 18 July 1870 and issued the Constitution Pastor Aeternis. More specifically it refers to Ch. 4 n.6 of Pastor Aeternis which is found in n.1836 in Denzinger where we read:

"For the holy Spirit was promised to the successors of Peter

not so that they might, by his revelation, make known some new doctrine,
but that, by his assistance, they might religiously guard and faithfully expound the revelation or deposit of faith transmitted by the apostles."

The bottom line is that the Church is not in the business of making new doctrine, and this is affirmed by Vatican II. This should be the paradigm through which the whole Council is viewed, i.e. in accordance with Tradition.


34 posted on 04/26/2005 3:45:12 PM PDT by Tantumergo
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To: Tantumergo; NYer; Salvation; Unam Sanctam; Campion; CouncilofTrent; Desdemona; jo kus; Dominick

In case you wanted to see the brilliance of university debate, another response posted in the online feedback section:

"Thank you for writing this response. James Fee is an embarrassment to any Catholic with a high school diploma or the equivalent thereof. Besides his problematic statements about the operation and teachings of the Catholic Church, he writes like an idiot. As an admissions employee, I cannot believe we let someone who uses phrases such as "the liberal media establishment" and "Cafeteria Catholics” slip through the cracks. Grow the fuck up; NU students are (read: should be) too intelligent and too skeptical to accept this conservative propaganda bullshit. Also, why did he even write in to the forum? It was not clearly a response to anything in particular - just a bunch of misguided passion some reactionary douche bag who likes to hear himself talk.

Mike"

Enjoy and Cheers!


35 posted on 04/26/2005 7:16:29 PM PDT by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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