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To: Mark in the Old South
Throughout the last 40 years many good ,devout catholics have left the church because of some real or perceived insult that hurt their egos. While I believe your friend was offended,I also know that if you open classes to one parent you must open them to all. With the abysmal catechesis most parents of grade/high schoolers had,added to the typical American demand to be heard and considered,I can see why the Legionaries do/did not want parents involving themselves in class reviews of the content of religious education. The state of catechesis is practically beyond repair and dialoguing is a waste of time at certain critical points. I hope that this new Pope will put something in place to expedite the catechesis of all Catholics.

I am sure she was allowed to read the books they used,wasn't she? If she wasn''t I would be more concerned. But in any case I believe all Catholics need to get behind Pope Benedict XVI or we will all go down with the Barque. Some of the remnant are thinking they can sit on a little piece of an ice floe and ride out the storm but I know it will melt and they will go down too.

I think the issue is Truth,the Pope thinks Truth is the issue,so let's get together and smother error with Truth.

8 posted on 04/25/2005 2:04:15 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: saradippity

"I can see why the Legionaries do/did not want parents involving themselves in class reviews of the content of religious education."

The Second Vatican Council, as well as encyclicals by Pope John Paul II and the pre-Vatican II popes all state that parents are the primary teachers of their children. In fact, so important is this duty, that it is "nearly impossible" to dedicate completely this task to others.

It sounds like the Legion of Christ, who also allow minors to "incorporate" into their movement without parents' consent, is in violation of Catholic teaching, and of common sense regarding a parents natural right to "delegating" responsibility of teaching of their children.


9 posted on 04/25/2005 2:15:54 PM PDT by Mershon
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To: saradippity
The woman is not American by birth but she is very devout Catholic as is her elderly mother. The issue as I understand it was not about class material, grades or the usual stuff that cause Parent/Teacher conflicts it was visiting the boys. We are talking about seeing her own children. Make excuses for them if you like but I am telling you you are loosing me if you are going to try to defend that.

This is not seminary students or a cloistered monks (adult men) but school age children with a mother that has a large family with one son at the SSPX seminary and she has plans/hopes of another son being a monk and a daughter becoming a nun. In other words a very committed Catholic mother who would be on the side of any recruitment efforts the Legionnaires may like to make of her children.

As to any books they used, it wasn't the issue. It was visiting her children, making eye contact, asking them how they are doing. Now that I think of it what started her pressuring them for an answer as to why, was denying her ability to talk with them over the phone. Is this reasonable? I do not think so, I know this woman if they wanted to limit it for some reason (ie. recruitment for the priesthood) she would have been on board, but a complete cut off, I do not think so.

This wasn't the first I had heard this (a book on the scandals in the Church) The authors were liberal IMO. As a result they have been criticized and accused of the same sort of overbearing manner by the left MSM and a very conservative first hand account.

As a result of this you will need to provide a little detail of your own before you will be able to override my opinion of them. Just what is your connection with them? You know mine and how I formed my evaluation.
11 posted on 04/25/2005 2:50:48 PM PDT by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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