I’m not leaving, I’m not going to be quiet

Busted Halo ^ | April 19(?), 2005 | Nora Bradbury-Haehl

[Aristotle721]

I happened to be part of the Diocese of Rochester's delegation to World Youth Day, the author of this piece was our group leader and liturgist. Feel free to read about it here.

[Aristotle721]

Ping.

[Fenris6]

"Should I stay or should I go is a question that has occured to me on a fairly regular basis"

You should go. Find a religion that caters to the whims of public opinion and society, instead of banging your head against the wall of Catholicism's moral foundation.

[saradippity]

I read the whole article and thought that it was something from the Onion. When I realized it wasn't a joke,I was appalled. It is hard to believe that any Catholic diocese could employ a person who is so blatantly ignorant and stupid.

I guess I knew they were out there but most of the ones I have met are more sly and clever I guess.

[jocon307]

"It would be impossible to stay if I thought of the way the Vatican clean-up crews made their way from diocese to diocese, how I’d seen friends removed from their teaching positions at seminaries, course titles changed because they sounded too liberal, dynamic theologians suddenly unwilling to offer notes of their talks because they’d been reported to Rome one too many times for raising the “wrong” questions, and hopes of forward movement in the church dashed as more and more conservatives were elevated to Bishop. I can’t stay and still think of how one of our most vibrant city parishes, on fire with the Gospel, was lost to the crack-down on liberal dioceses."

When the heck did any of this stuff happen?

I myself would love for the new Pope to live up to such a description as this. Throw the liturgy changers out of the temple, re-instate that Latin Mass at every single church (as a choice, OK, just as a choice, not as an indult, which I assume means indulgence) and of course sweep the homosexual mafia out of power in the American church.

And if that makes the drunkard who wrote this piece unhappy, well, that would only add to my joy.

[Iris7]

Don't be suprised. In this diocese there are priests that make this guy look orthodox.

Besides, "blatantly ignorant and stupid" is not the case at all. These folks know exactly what they are doing.

[saradippity]

Out here in Arizona,believe it or not,the dissidents are really much more nuanced than this babe or bozo.

[Iris7]

Yeah, this guy is really 100% out in the open. Sort of "out of the closet", I guess. Nasty.

[Siobhan]

I thought this was a joke at first. Sadly, I take it "Nora" is a real creature. Would that it were not so.

[Aristotle721]

Yup, she's real.

I like your tagline a lot, btw.

[angkor]

I was visiting at a Catholic mass last night, and the priest said "Many are not happy with the new Pope. Should we have elected an Anglican?"

[Claud]

I’m NOT leaving and I’m NOT going to be quiet.

Attention all dissidents...now boarding Track 1 is the express to excommunication...

[american colleen]

I guess the author hasn't had the chance to see the footage of all the young people in St. Peter's Square on the day Cardinal Ratzinger was announced as Benedict XVI.

Shockingly ;-), the Paulist's, who run 'bustedhalo.com' are the very same Paulists who run the quasi-Catholic parish which John Kerry attends in Boston, Ma.

Too bad this disenchanted and non-dialogueing and intolerant woman obviously missed this weeks 'Life on the Rock' program where many young people 'on the street' were interviewed in Rome about the election of Benedict XVI - these kids are on fire for the Faith and their optimism and hope are inspirational. They are the future of the Church whereas these 'bustedhalo' people are the future 'Call to Action' folks.

[VermiciousKnid]

This is exactly the kind of reaction shown by my parish's DRE.

I thought she was going to burst a vessel last week when PB XVI was announced. She was VERY upset and angry.

Have to admit...if it mader HER unhappy, it made ME very happy indeed.

Regards,

[old and tired]

The self importance of liberals never ceases to amaze me. All this woman sees is her disenfranchised liberal friends. She needs to open her eyes a little further and realize that while many liberals are still working inside the Church, many, many Traditionalists have felt it necessary to practice their faith independent of the bishops.

Also, this lady is in for a rude awakening. The young people going to Church today are not that concerned with women priests or birth control. Maybe they think both should be allowed (thanks mostly to teachers like her), but they just don't get all fired up about it. And as many of them mature in their faith they realize that these things will never be allowed and they will eventually accept, if not embrace the concepts.

Also, I like the way this gal throws in immigrants with gays and lesbians. Yeah right, the Church has really come down hard on those immigrants. What sinful tendencies they have!

[Cvengr]

"...called a "rigid conservative" out of step with the times, whose name has been synonymous will Roman power and authoritarian rule...."

There's going to be the head of the Church who will rule with a rod of iron for a thousand years. Something to think about...

[ishabibble]

Hyphen lady is not talking religion here, she is talking politics. People like this are not "cafeteria Catholics", rather they are "carpenter ant Catholics". They are rotting our church from within, and the damage will be irreparable if they are not stopped.

Have another drink, Nora, that loudmouth of yours needs it.

[ItsOurTimeNow]

>>I turned to the pastor and asked “This is a drinking lunch right?”

“I think it’ll have to be.” he told me.<<

Turning to booze instead of turning to the Lord.

Blaming your woes on a man, rahter than laying your cares at the foot of the throne of Jesus.

Expecting mere mortals to comprise and validate your faith (or lack thereof).

Laying the foundation of your faith on human beings, rahter than on the precious blood of Christ.

This would be funny if it weren't so freakin' sad.

[Cvengr]

There are 4 divine establishments, volition, marriage, family, and government(nationality).

Those who rebel from God's plan for man, first step into sin and lose out on His blessings to live by the way He has created for them. That is grieving the Holy Spirit. Those who he loves he disciplines, but while respecting volition, should we continue to disobey, we fall into either moral or immoral degeneracy.

When the believer steps further than simply grieving the Holy Spirit, but begins to antagonistically attack God and His plan, he quenches the Holy Spirit.

There does exist a sin unto death, or face to face with death, where the believer no longer serves any useful purpose in the foreknown creation.

I always find it interesting to note how those who rebel from God, also happen to display arrogance in the form of rebellion to legitimate authority.

Likewise, if we find ourselves tempted to rebel from legitimate authority in volition, marriage, family or government, we also find some degree of arrogance in our thinking which has replaced God's policy of grace, with a counterfeit plan placing our selves and/or our thinking prior to Him.

Notice how in this situation, the author bodaciously brags about rebelling and remaining in the church. This open defiance of authority is only justifiable if the rebel is first remianing faithful in the spirit to God by respecting legitimate authority of the institutions God has created. The author has already expressed a rebellion to marriage, to family, and now to the government within the church.

The natural progression of reverting from God's plan allows for the rebellious author to further backslide, symptomatically manifest by imposing either totalitarian laws via legalism or by criminality in promoting lasciviousness. Those are simply consequences of living outside of God's plan.

[Cvengr]

I hadn;t noticed that immediately,...Interesting to note that her immediate response was to rebel from God's first divine establishment of volition......she wanted to get drunk so she wouldn't have to exercise volition..

My advice,...Nora has pulled the pin on the arrogance grenade and its simply a matter of time before she fragments her life and might harm innocent bystanders. Simply avoid her and separate her from others.