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To: newgeezer

"Oh, I'm just sure there must be any number of ways to couch in 'different vocabulary' the concepts of an earthly church father and/or a heavenly, perpetually-virgin, perpetually-sinless, bodily-assumed co-redemptrix in order to coax agreement from a 100% Conservative Christian/Protestant. LOL."

Well, I presume you selected "one incarnation," which rather indicates that you believe that Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary.

Do you have some reason to think that Mary went to Hell?

(Oh, by the way, "co-redemptrix" is one of those buzz words. Satan is using it now to confuse people, but that whole thing should go away in the next hundred years or so.)


47 posted on 04/21/2005 6:58:02 AM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc
Do you have some reason to think that Mary went to Hell?

Yeah, sure, that's the ticket. Nevermind all that extra-biblical, man-made stuff about her. We think she's in hell. Uh-huh.

49 posted on 04/21/2005 7:06:53 AM PDT by newgeezer (Sarcasm content: 100.00%)
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To: dsc; newgeezer
Well, I presume you selected "one incarnation," which rather indicates that you believe that Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary. Do you have some reason to think that Mary went to Hell?

With all due apologies for crashing this thread, I will point out that Protestants are often needlessly harsh in our characterization of Marian dogma.

In order to be a Christian (let alone a Catholic or a Protestant) one must affirm that "Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary". Most Protestants affirm that:

-Mary was a virgin at the time of Christ's conception.
-She concieved by the action of the Holy Spirit.
-She bore Christ.
-She had faith in Christ and died a holy saint.
-She is present with Christ in heaven.

Caveats:

-There is no evidence that Mary was either sinful or sinless.
-She was indeed the mother of Christ, and therefore the mother of God, BUT because Christ pre-existed before her in His perfect fullness she made no spiritually significant contribution to his incarnate being. The title "Mother of God" implies that Mary had a genitive role in the incarnation. Protestants deny such a role, and thus the title itself is viewed dimly.
-There is no evidence that she remained a virgin after Christ's birth. In fact, scripture strongly suggests otherwise.
-There is no evidence that she participated in Christ's redemptive work in any way (other than to bear Him in the first place and make it possible).
-There is no reason to believe that Mary is "Queen of Heaven". Accrediting her such a title is perilous, as it may attract worship rather than respect.

51 posted on 04/21/2005 8:13:04 AM PDT by jboot (Faith is not a work)
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