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To: gbcdoj
What should we do about it?

The hierarchy should find out why these Catholic couples simply ignore Church teaching on contraception. Instead of berating them, telling them they're going to hell if they don't do what the Pope says, we need to talk with them.

Perhaps it would also be a good thing to find out why a significant number of clergy don't accept the teaching either.

17 posted on 04/15/2005 7:00:53 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: sinkspur

That is a very diplomatic post.


20 posted on 04/15/2005 7:06:10 PM PDT by Torie (Constrain rogue state courts; repeal your state constitution)
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To: sinkspur; gbcdoj
The hierarchy should find out why these Catholic couples simply ignore Church teaching on contraception.

Because it's hard to live a faithful Catholic life, the narrow gate and all, and it's impossible to live it without the grace of Our Lord.

Instead of berating them, telling them they're going to hell if they don't do what the Pope says,

Oh yeah like that happens.

Perhaps it would also be a good thing to find out why a significant number of clergy don't accept the teaching either.

That's easy, they've lost their faith or they never really had it to begin with. They're apostate.

24 posted on 04/15/2005 7:10:30 PM PDT by murphE (Never miss an opportunity to kiss the hand of a holy priest.)
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To: sinkspur
Perhaps it would also be a good thing to find out why a significant number of clergy don't accept the teaching either.

I think you missed my question on the other thread, so I'll pose it again here. I remember you said before that you do accept the conclusion of HV, but you do not accept its arguments. So what is the reason that you accept it? Perhaps we can use it on the dissenters ;)

30 posted on 04/15/2005 7:16:20 PM PDT by gbcdoj (In the world you shall have distress. But have confidence. I have overcome the world. ~ John 16:33)
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To: sinkspur

###"Instead of berating them, telling them they're going to hell if they don't do what the Pope says, we need to talk with them."###

I have not heard a priest say anyone is going to hell since the last mission I went to 50 years ago.

We start one this Sunday and I hope I hear the statement again.

One of the reasons the laity is lax is because they have been taught that God is all loving and merciful but the laity never hears that God is a just God.

It is why confession lines have 10 people and 300 recieve the Eucharist the next morning. To them they do not sin and besides God forgives me.


50 posted on 04/15/2005 7:37:06 PM PDT by franky (Pray for the souls of the faithful departed.)
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To: sinkspur

"Perhaps it would also be a good thing to find out why a significant number of clergy don't accept the teaching either."

That's easy - a sexual deviant masquerading as a priest is NEVER going to accept the teachiong of the Holy Roman Catholic Church.


91 posted on 04/16/2005 6:57:06 AM PDT by narses (St James the Moor-slayer, Pray for us! +)
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To: sinkspur; gbcdoj; ninenot; sittnick

SS: It would also be a good idea to find out why "Catholic" clergy who dissent are not run out of the clergy. We can do quite well without them. We will also do a whole lot better without them. Let the purge begin.


107 posted on 04/16/2005 9:05:04 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: sinkspur; ninenot; sittnick

Also, if those "Catholic" couples ignore the Teaching Magisterium on contraception, then they are better described as former Catholics or make-believe Catholics or "Catholics" in a persistent state of what certainly appears to be mortal sin. If the priests hearing their confessions (if any) are encouraging them, likewise.


108 posted on 04/16/2005 9:07:54 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: sinkspur
The hierarchy should find out why these Catholic couples simply ignore Church teaching on contraception.

Perhaps it would also be a good thing to find out why a significant number of clergy don't accept the teaching either.

Perhaps you've never read about The End Times and the Great Apostacy.

Dissent on contraception is part of it, as are those who publicly undermine Church teaching on it.

147 posted on 04/17/2005 2:15:40 PM PDT by St. Johann Tetzel ( † Theresa Marie Schindler, Martyr for the Gospel of Life, pray for us. †)
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