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To: murphE
What I don't understand, murphE, is that if you belong to the SSPX, and you truly believe that Abp. Lefevbre acted in a justifable, well-intentioned manner, what does it matter to you, if he, or you by extension, are called schismatic? He probably didn't care, so why should you? Not trying to be provactive, just wondering why that seems to be such a sore spot?

Technically, the EO are schismatics, do you let that influence your objectivity concerning their issues of disagreement with the RC Church? I don't. If I were a member of the SSPX, you could call me schismatic, skizzie, Lefevbre lap dog from morning till night, and you'd have to pay me to give a whit.

I think that I have Abp. Lefevbre to thank for the Tridentine,in large measure, and I think he accomplished more than he was aware of at the time. God may have used him specifically for what he accomplished. Who can know for sure?

Finally, if, as Pope John Paul II was wont to believe that salvation outside the RC Church is possible (and I agree, based on my 1952 Baltimore Catechism), then salvation is possible for members of the SSPX too. Why sweat the schismatic classification, if you believe your view of present day RC is just and justifiable?

138 posted on 04/14/2005 11:20:38 AM PDT by AlbionGirl
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To: AlbionGirl
What I don't understand, murphE, is that if you belong to the SSPX

I don't belong to the SSPX. The SSPX is a priestly society, I am a lay person.

and you truly believe that Abp. Lefevbre acted in a justifiable well-intentioned manner, what does it matter to you, if he, or you by extension, are called schismatic?

Well, in the interest of truth and justice it bothers me, as it should bother all Christians; they slander the name of a holy Bishop, and many, many holy priests. The people that spread half truths and lies influence others to believe them. They also spread a false understanding of obedience, which the enemies within the Church use to their advantage.

Here is an example of what effect that can have. A parishioner of an SSPX chapel has an elderly friend who requested to have traditional last rites, Extreme Unction from a Traditional priest. The diocese refused this request, a dying woman's request. My priest traveled quite a distance to see her in the hospital. Her son had such a hatred of Tradition and for the SSPX, and he attempted to prevent my priest from seeing the dying woman, his mother, with physical force, and my priest was carrying the Blessed Sacrament of his person. Finally a kind nurse talked the son down, and the son reluctantly permitted his mother's request to be fulfilled, although he refused to allow her to have a traditional requiem mass. The SSPX priests have to face things like that every day, just for believing and living the faith the same way my mom did, the way my grandmother did, and the way my great grandmother did.

The object of the game is not to address any valid arguments about the cause and nature of the crisis in the Church, it is to shut down anyone who presents an argument contrary to their party line group think by discrediting them through accusations. For example, if you criticize the NO, or the completely novel changes in the forms of all of the sacraments, "you are schismatic", if you criticize Vatican II, "you are schismatic" etc. These statements of course are all false, but some people accept them, and in essence they say "shut up you have no right to speak."

Meanwhile the crisis in the Church continues, more people are lead astray, scandalized or fall into apostasy and indifferentism.

Why sweat the schismatic classification

I can assure you that the opinion of any particular individual on this forum of me does not cause me to lose any sleep. I just become angry at the deceptive attempts made by some to silence the voice of others and to slander truly holy priests. After all, truth is the only thing worth arguing about.

140 posted on 04/14/2005 12:54:10 PM PDT by murphE (Never miss an opportunity to kiss the hand of a holy priest.)
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