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To: Defiant
Defiant: It does not appear that there could ever be a unified Christian church so long as such people are around, and it is also a little scary to think about the type of government we would have if they gained control.

It's already happened, and it was horrifying. Ever heard of the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre?

Defiant: Those who are so certain that they are right on such matters feel the need to force it on others.

I disagree. Except regarding issues where a 3rd party is harmed (eg, abortion), or where society at large is damaged (eg, porn), I think that people who try to force their views on others are generally driven by UNcertainty. They can never rest til everyone agrees with them; what they don't realize is that even universal agreement won't silence the inner doubts they struggle with.

I think that it is precisely because they AREN'T so certain, that they are so hostile and defensive. They almost remind me of radical homosexuals who flip out any time somebody quotes the Bible. These guys, too, began to flip out when I started quoting the Bible -- is there a pattern here?

Oh, and notice their reactions when I called them on the carpet re: their morally offensive "Torquemada" taglines. Since Torquemada murdered a lot of Jews, too, maybe I should ping some Jewish freepers over here to discuss the matter?

Mark in the Old South, by contrast, apparently *really believes* in the Catholic faith, and is capable of discussing it without getting mean-spirited. He puts certain others to shame.

118 posted on 04/13/2005 1:00:18 PM PDT by Rytwyng (we're here, we're Huguenots, get used to us...)
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To: Rytwyng; dennisw; Defiant

DennisW and I get along just fine, and he's seen the tagline plenty.

See, DennisW actually understands humor, unlike some others on FR. When you get off your High Huguenot Horsie, you might actually develop a sense of humor, too.

in the meantime, be sure to check out job postings with the Gummint. They LOVE sensitive types like you.


120 posted on 04/13/2005 2:30:30 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Rytwyng; Defiant; ninenot
Mark in the Old South and I do not get along particularly well but I will give him credit for being a MUCH more textured and hard core Catholic than you might like to imagine.

St. Bartholomew's Day "Massacre": Despite her being of the Medici family, Catherine de Medici was not often accused of acting in the interest of the RCC so much as in the interest of Catherine de Medici (mother of Charles IX). An attempt to assassinate Admiral Coligny whom her son preferred to Catherine had to be covered up. The "massacre" was perpetrated to distract public attention and that of Charles IX. France was a Catholic country. The Huguenots were in treason for refusal to be Catholic as required by French law. This again is a facet of Christendom which is not evidently within your ken. Denying history does not change history.

Hey, if you think the St. Bartholomew's Day "massacre" was something, you should have seen the Thirty Years' War.

We are quite certain and have no need for or regard for manifest heresy and, yes, we are hostile to heresy. As to you guys quoting the Bible, we don't need you to quote the Bible. We don't need to pay attention to you quoting he Bible. We have popes and a Catholic Teaching Magisterium to rely on and need not rely on the heretical views of every Tom, Dick and Hillary of a self-appointed Bible interpreter to tell us about the Christian Faith. We were there fifteen hundred or so years before Luther was a gleam in his parents' eyes and have been there ever since, whatever you may think the Bible is telling you.

I think you may find that many Jews here will regard me as an ally of Jews generally and Israel in particular. I too have used the Torquemada tag line for years an done so while posting in defense of Jews, Judaism and Israel. I have had disagreements with Jews on other matters but never on defending them against their critics here.

Name three Jews that Torquemada killed, much less "murdered" or withdraw that libel. The Spanish government, maybe. Torquemada no.

Have you considered that well catechized Catholics will always be allergic to the preachings of heretics in love with their heretical notions as to Scripture? Do you have any evidence that we ever asked for your preachiness?????

Have a party preaching to others of your inclinations. Do you remember that "mean spirited" Guy who drove the money changers from the Temple?

Your half-baked psychology resembles nothing so much as the politically correct theory of "homophobia" that those who ex[press a natural revulsion for homosexual acts are somehow assumed to be closet fags, "uncertain" etc. I harbor NO "inner doubts." I don't have to. Jesus Christ founded the Roman Catholic Church on Peter and promised to be with it (the RCC and no other) all days until the end of the world.

Thus the RCC does not need to apologize to its heretical critics or to assume a Kumbaya cuddliness towards them. Don't expect either. Normally we ignore your sects unless and until you attack or distort Catholicism, especially as a refugee from it.

The pattern is: You falsely get preachy and we resist being preached at by those outside the fullness of Catholicism.

126 posted on 04/13/2005 4:09:34 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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