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To: Kolokotronis

>>I think we can agree that God is essentially unknowable<<

You presume too much. For a Catholic to believe this, he rejects defined dogma which is the action of a heretic. To say God is not knowable is one of the oldest heresies. It goes back to ancient times:

There is no truth/
Even if there was truth, it could not be knowable/
Even if it were knowable, it could not be communicated.

All three of these lies are entirely false.


88 posted on 04/05/2005 3:25:35 PM PDT by donbosco74 (Sancte Padre Pio, ora pro nobis, nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, Amen.)
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To: donbosco74; Kolokotronis
>>I think we can agree that God is essentially unknowable<<

We are apophatic. I guess I never knew you guys were not.

The early church as a whole confessed that a negative approach was "indispensable," because it "sweeps away the idols of the mind, the systems, the intellectual concepts, along with the images of sense exerpence." [8] The Fathers affirmed, in the eloquent words of Saint Maximos, that: "The infinite is without doubt something of God, but not God himself, who is infinitely beyond even that." [9] To contemplate infinity is impossible for man, how much more impossible is it for man to contemplate and understand that which is beyond infinity? A human being trying to understand God "would be like a blind person trying to count the grains of sand on the sea shore."

Clearly not a heresy. Just something you have not grasped, I would think. It can be tough, that is not meant to offend you.

"The western world in general does not understand that sometimes knowing less really can, paradoxically, lead to a greater understanding."

" We deny in order to affirm. We say that something is not in order to say that it is. The way of negation turns out to be the way of super-affirmation. Our laying aside of words and concepts serves as a springboard or trampoline, from which we leap into the divine mystery.

Apophatic theology, in its true and full meaning, leads not to an absence but to a presence, not to agnosticism but to a union of love. Thus apophatic theology is much more than a purely verbal exercise, whereby we balance positive statements with negations. Its aim is to bring us to a direct meeting with a personal God, who infinitely surpasses everything that we can say of him, whether negative or positive." Even (then) Lutheran scholar Jaroslav Pelikan comments: "Throughout the history of patristic theology, Eastern but also Western, this accent on the apophatic had functioned as a check, and one that was often necessary, on the pretentions of the theologians."

Jaroslav of course recently converted to the Orthodox church, at 80 something, as I recall, along with his wife.

89 posted on 04/05/2005 3:43:18 PM PDT by MarMema
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