[mike182d]

Even though we pray with a different Judas, the name of Judas is invoked every time we pray for hopeless causes. Judas died of hopelessness.

I'm sorry, but a Saint - at least in the Catholic/intercessory understanding of the word - is someone in heaven. Are you suggesting that Judas is in heaven?

[dangus]

>> I'm sorry, but a Saint - at least in the Catholic/intercessory understanding of the word - is someone in heaven. Are you suggesting that Judas is in heaven? <<

I'm puzzled by your question. Where do I call Judas a saint? I point out that he is not the Judas who is prayed to.

[dangus]

>> I'm sorry, but a Saint - at least in the Catholic/intercessory understanding of the word - is someone in heaven. Are you suggesting that Judas is in heaven? <<

I'm puzzled by your question. Where do I call Judas a saint? I point out that he is not the Judas who is prayed to.

But to answer your question, I am wondering if Judas will end up in Heaven on the last day.

[dangus]

>> I'm sorry, but a Saint - at least in the Catholic/intercessory understanding of the word - is someone in heaven. <<

I'm sure you know this, but for the sake of Protestants on the thread, I will state it:

A Saint (derivation: "clean") is someone who has been purified of sin and who therefore may enter directly into Heaven. One needn't have died to be a Saint, but the only way to be sure one may enter Heaven is to have achieved it, so only those in Heaven already are entitled, "Saint."

Any protestant who insists all believers are saints need only examine the venial sins of their own lives to recognize that one may be saved and not yet a saint.