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To: mike182d

Judas died before the Church was born.


20 posted on 03/23/2005 7:19:24 AM PST by biblewonk (Neither was the man created for woman but the woman for the man.)
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To: biblewonk
Judas professed belief in Christ, did he not? I cannot imagine Jesus appointing an Apostle that did not believe in Him. If Judas was saved by professing a belief in Christ at some point in his life, he should have been secure in his salvation and gone to heaven, right?

Judas died before the Church was born.

So, David, Moses, and Elijah aren't in heaven? Jesus did not come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it.
28 posted on 03/23/2005 7:24:00 AM PST by mike182d ("Let fly the white flag of war." - Zapp Brannigan)
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To: biblewonk

"Judas died before the Church was born."

That is questionable, depending on when you think the Church began. If you consider the Church the people of God, it then started with Abraham, I suppose. Some refer to Pentacost, others refer to naming Peter as the rock. The question originally asked, "Is Judas in heaven", has no bearing on when the Church began (Didn't Christ descend into "hell" to bring the OT people into heaven?). Only God Himself can judge whether Judas repented or willingly entered into some mortal sin. Suicide is not necessarily a mortal sin that separates us from God. It depends on the person's inner relationship with God. Only God can judge that. That is why Catholics do not teach (shouldn't!) that Judas specifically is in hell.

Regards


32 posted on 03/23/2005 7:26:13 AM PST by jo kus
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