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To: jkl1122
I brought up circumstances that go against your interpretation of the Bible. The man who believes but dies before baptism is still saved. For you, it is a "hard case".

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever beleives in Him will not perish but have everlasting life.

No mention of Baptism for everlasting life? None and this is Jesus speaking. If Baptism was the prerequisite for it, dont you think He would have mentioned it.

Now, I am not saying Baptism is unimportant. It is vital to any believer and not getting baptized is an act of disobedience.

See my post #55 for an explanation on salvation.

JM
129 posted on 03/23/2005 9:31:09 AM PST by JohnnyM
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To: JohnnyM

"John 3:16 - For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever beleives in Him will not perish but have everlasting life.

No mention of Baptism for everlasting life? None and this is Jesus speaking. If Baptism was the prerequisite for it, dont you think He would have mentioned it."

He does. But why does Jesus need to repeat all of His teachings at every point and juncture? How about John 6? Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood, you shall not have eternal life? No mention about Baptism there, either. We take Scripture in its entirety, not pick and choose and ignore those we don't like. We are to follow ALL of Jesus' teachings.

Regards


133 posted on 03/23/2005 9:36:20 AM PST by jo kus
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To: JohnnyM

You did not answer my question. Why didn't Peter tell those in Acts 2 that they needed to do nothing else since they already believed that Jesus was the Son of God?

He never told them that they were already saved, and that baptism is simply a sign of their belief. Also, if not getting baptized is an act of disobedience, then your idea of salvation by faith only means that someone can be saved while being disobedient to God. That is in direct contradiction to the teachings of Christ.


138 posted on 03/23/2005 9:41:00 AM PST by jkl1122
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To: JohnnyM
No mention of Baptism for everlasting life? None and this is Jesus speaking. If Baptism was the prerequisite for it, dont you think He would have mentioned it.

He DID more than mention baptism, He was baptized Himself.

150 posted on 03/23/2005 10:15:18 AM PST by Always Right
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